HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Notices

Erik Cole traded to Dallas Stars for Michael Ryder + 3rd round pick!!

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-26-2013, 09:31 PM
  #826
holyhabs87
Registered User
 
holyhabs87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,799
vCash: 2009
Only 1 thread? Minor deal for our standards.

holyhabs87 is offline  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:32 PM
  #827
Miller Time
Registered User
 
Miller Time's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 8,033
vCash: 500
on the surface, it's hard not to like the deal...

- Cole's 4.5M$ cap hit over the next two years had a big chance of being very cumbersome. It looked that way from the moment he signed the deal, but his bounce back season last year seemed to give hope that he'd be worth it. The way he started this year gave us a good glimpse of just how bad it could get the other way, and with the cap going down, smart move by MB to get rid of that contract

- Ryder is coming off his best season, pts-wise, is off to a very strong start this year, is cheaper right now, is familiar with the team/city/media+fan pressure, and is a UFA at the end of the year so even if it doesn't work out, no strings attached.

- extra 3rd gives us 6 picks in the top-90 of a deep draft... whether we keep them all, use them to move up, or use some in a deadline deal if the need/justification is there, it's a nice asset to have


despite 3 pretty big positives, and having never been a fan of Cole's deal, i'm still a bit about the deal.

Something about getting a guy who is definitely less of a physical presence (not that Cole was imposing) on a team that was finally starting to play without getting pushed around all the time, is a little unsettling.

Hopefully Ryder will fit right in to the PP, and ES I could see him working well with DD/MaxPac, giving the team enough offensive threat to mitigate what we lose in Cole's physical play.

Mostly thought, I'm very intrigued into how this fits into MB's broader plans... assuming Kaberle gets amnestied (or traded?), he'll have a small fortune to spend this offseason... Perry is a habs fan, and certainly would fit both the teams new direction and a long-term top-6 need, do we dare to dream???

Welcome back Ryder, happy trails Erik... Go habs Go

Miller Time is online now  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:32 PM
  #828
googlymoogly
Registered User
 
googlymoogly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 8,414
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by le_sean View Post
Alexander
Hey at least I spelled his last name correctly. It's been so long I forgot his first name.

googlymoogly is offline  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:33 PM
  #829
Leo Getz
Registered User
 
Leo Getz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,663
vCash: 500
What a weird deal. Hopefully Ryder redeems himself from his final year by potting many Galchenyuk feeds propelling him to the Calder.

That 3rd is nice.

Leo Getz is offline  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:39 PM
  #830
bib
#believe
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Country: United States
Posts: 3,488
vCash: 500
Is there a place where I can listen to the Bergevin conference call?

And the Ryder one? (if there is one)

bib is offline  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:41 PM
  #831
le_sean
Registered User
 
le_sean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Ottawa
Country: Vatican City State
Posts: 15,002
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by bib View Post
Is there a place where I can listen to the Bergevin conference call?

And the Ryder one? (if there is one)
Here is Ryder's conference call:


le_sean is online now  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:41 PM
  #832
Habtchum*
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,726
vCash: 500
Cole was exactly what the Habs needed for so many years.

He was my favourite player last season.

The lockout just killed the chemistry he has with dd and maxpac.

Too bad.


I just hate the timing of the trade. This week is crucial. Could had waited next Monday.

Habtchum* is offline  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:44 PM
  #833
bib
#believe
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Country: United States
Posts: 3,488
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by le_sean View Post
Here is Ryder's conference call:

Oh dear, sounds like he's cracking open the old Jockey Club's again.

bib is offline  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:44 PM
  #834
bigtimehockeyfan999
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Nova Scotia
Country: Canada
Posts: 930
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Miller Time View Post
on the surface, it's hard not to like the deal...

- Cole's 4.5M$ cap hit over the next two years had a big chance of being very cumbersome. It looked that way from the moment he signed the deal, but his bounce back season last year seemed to give hope that he'd be worth it. The way he started this year gave us a good glimpse of just how bad it could get the other way, and with the cap going down, smart move by MB to get rid of that contract

- Ryder is coming off his best season, pts-wise, is off to a very strong start this year, is cheaper right now, is familiar with the team/city/media+fan pressure, and is a UFA at the end of the year so even if it doesn't work out, no strings attached.

- extra 3rd gives us 6 picks in the top-90 of a deep draft... whether we keep them all, use them to move up, or use some in a deadline deal if the need/justification is there, it's a nice asset to have


despite 3 pretty big positives, and having never been a fan of Cole's deal, i'm still a bit about the deal.

Something about getting a guy who is definitely less of a physical presence (not that Cole was imposing) on a team that was finally starting to play without getting pushed around all the time, is a little unsettling.

Hopefully Ryder will fit right in to the PP, and ES I could see him working well with DD/MaxPac, giving the team enough offensive threat to mitigate what we lose in Cole's physical play.

Mostly thought, I'm very intrigued into how this fits into MB's broader plans... assuming Kaberle gets amnestied (or traded?), he'll have a small fortune to spend this offseason... Perry is a habs fan, and certainly would fit both the teams new direction and a long-term top-6 need, do we dare to dream???

Welcome back Ryder, happy trails Erik... Go habs Go
this is the second time i've heard this...where have u heard this?

I'm pretty sure dan otoole is a habs fan...and he's from peterborough, which is where perry is from....imagine sportscenter in the mornings if we do get him and otoole is on..."THE PRIDE OF PETERBOROUGH ONTARIO WITH A GOAL!!" he would be so proud

bigtimehockeyfan999 is online now  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:47 PM
  #835
phoque taupe
Registered User
 
phoque taupe's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Montréal
Country: Canada
Posts: 902
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneSharpMarble View Post
17 games in "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME SINCE LEADING THE TEAM LAST YEAR AND MENTORING DD/PACIORETTY?"

This is why hab fans are universally panned.
thank you
exactly my thoughts

phoque taupe is offline  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:47 PM
  #836
onice
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Montreal
Posts: 5,395
vCash: 500
I liked Cole but I think this is a good trade and i was surprised to hear on l"antichambre that Cole was a high maintenance player- almost a prima donna.

I know what you guys think of the people on that show but they also had Mathieu Darche and he didn't contradict anyone so that would lead me to think there is some truth to it.

I hope Cole rebounds and has a good season but I like this trade. But knowing that Gainey is advising in Dallas my gut feeling is that Cole is finished. Bobsled has been making terrible hockey decisions for a while.

onice is offline  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:48 PM
  #837
googlymoogly
Registered User
 
googlymoogly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 8,414
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leo Getz View Post
What a weird deal. Hopefully Ryder redeems himself from his final year by potting many Galchenyuk feeds propelling him to the Calder.

That 3rd is nice.
Eller Pleks Ryder
Pacioretty DDH Gionta
Prust AGally BGally

Gionta covers up for weakness of Max and DDH on defense. Kid line reunited with their big brother

googlymoogly is offline  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:50 PM
  #838
hototogisu
Global Moderator
Poked the bear!!!!!
 
hototogisu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Montreal, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 32,935
vCash: 500
Awards:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dekar View Post
Has anyone figured out if the 3rd rounder we picked up was Dallas' own, or one of the ones they acquired from Edmonton or Minnesota?
I believe it's confirmed to be Dallas' own pick.

hototogisu is offline  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:51 PM
  #839
DJ Breadman
Registered User
 
DJ Breadman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Newfoundland
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,304
vCash: 500
Ryder is from where i'm from but I find him hard to like due to winning the cup with boston, I hate boston so much

DJ Breadman is offline  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:51 PM
  #840
Bieber fever
Registered User
 
Bieber fever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Westmount
Posts: 5,090
vCash: 500
Our top 6 is weak, small and soft...

Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta
Paccioretty-DD-Ryder

Bieber fever is offline  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:52 PM
  #841
Kimota
Nation of Poutine
 
Kimota's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: La Vieille Capitale
Country: France
Posts: 21,648
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Treb View Post
Cole was so tough....
He was physical. A power forward. In a team full of Smurfs, let's face it, it comes in handy. In the playoffs when it's important do you want Gallagher in front of the net covering the goalie or Cole?

Kimota is offline  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:53 PM
  #842
Lafleurs Guy
Registered User
 
Lafleurs Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 20,327
vCash: 500
Weird trade. Don't really see the point of this one...

Lafleurs Guy is offline  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:55 PM
  #843
Whitesnake
Habs of steel
 
Whitesnake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Lorraine, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 47,129
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimota View Post
He was physical. A power forward. In a team full of Smurfs, let's face it, it comes in handy.
But the guy is about to mail it. It's not like you can build a team on a guy that might have 2 or 3 seasons left in his body. Ryder might just be here for this season. The way this team will be shape for the future might have nothing to do with acquiring Ryder but everything with getting the cap space and/or the draft picks to build a better and tougher team.

Whitesnake is online now  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:56 PM
  #844
Kimota
Nation of Poutine
 
Kimota's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: La Vieille Capitale
Country: France
Posts: 21,648
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by beowulf View Post
Don't get the negative views of this trade. Cole has been up and down all season, has not been producing, has 2 more years at $4.5M. Ryder is a UFA after this season, has 14 pts in 18 games this year and knows what it takes to play in Montreal. Add the 3rd rounder coming to Montreal and I see only win-win on this one.
You want a negative? How many big, physical skilled forwards does the Habs have. Max Pac, that's it.

Kimota is offline  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:57 PM
  #845
pine
Registered User
 
pine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Montréal
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,844
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimota View Post
You want a negative? How many big, physical skilled forwards does the Habs have. Max Pac, that's it.
Lars Eller

pine is offline  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:58 PM
  #846
Mats NAslund
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 4,154
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy View Post
Weird trade. Don't really see the point of this one...
Point was Cole is not getting any younger and is a 4.5mil cap hit.
He's 36 and has always played extreemely tough. Last year was a career year, do you really think at 37 and 38 he would be able to repeat that?

I loved Cole but I think this a great trade.
Ryder WILL help as he's a pure sniper especially on the PP, his contract expires this year which frees up 4.5 mil in cap space add the Kaberle buyout that's close to 9 million.

This was a very calculated move by Bergevin and he got a third pick in the deal as well.

Mats NAslund is offline  
Old
02-26-2013, 09:59 PM
  #847
Kimota
Nation of Poutine
 
Kimota's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: La Vieille Capitale
Country: France
Posts: 21,648
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whitesnake View Post
But the guy is about to mail it. It's not like you can build a team on a guy that might have 2 or 3 seasons left in his body. Ryder might just be here for this season. The way this team will be shape for the future might have nothing to do with acquiring Ryder but everything with getting the cap space and/or the draft picks to build a better and tougher team.
I get that Ryder is UFA and so forth, but we've been saying for ages that this team is soft and small. Don't trading Cole go against that? Sure he's had a bad start but if we continue to go well, someone like Cole would have been ace in the playoffs.

Kimota is offline  
Old
02-26-2013, 10:00 PM
  #848
Kimota
Nation of Poutine
 
Kimota's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: La Vieille Capitale
Country: France
Posts: 21,648
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pine View Post
Lars Eller
Physical? Eller is as "physical" as Kostistyn was.

Kimota is offline  
Old
02-26-2013, 10:01 PM
  #849
Whitesnake
Habs of steel
 
Whitesnake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Lorraine, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 47,129
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kimota View Post
You want a negative? How many big, physical skilled forwards does the Habs have. Max Pac, that's it.
As of now...not a lot. But how the heck can you build a team for the future with so many of those physical tough forwards? Chances are, other teams want to keep those guys. So you will have to draft them or acquire them through UFA....hence trying to have more money to get them whether it's through UFA or trades. So you then have to send away the guys that have played more games than there are games left in their system. Since 2003, look at the number of guys we drafted that are either tough guys or even skilled gritty big guys and you will find out that it was never a priority around here. Let's hope that it is for Bergevin but it takes time to change a mentality and it takes time to form those types of players. One step at a time, we won't be AND succesful AND tough and gritty over 2 or 3 trades.

Whitesnake is online now  
Old
02-26-2013, 10:01 PM
  #850
Plante
Registered User
 
Plante's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Kelowna, B.C
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,665
vCash: 500
I love this.... Is that wrong of me?

Plante is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:19 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.