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02-26-2013, 11:21 PM
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I'd love to catch a Windsor game and see Rychel. Very interesting player to me.
I've got great seats to the Windsor/London game in a few weeks. I'm going to try to get some video of Rychel, Domi, Zadorov, Horvat, Rupert(s).

I may open a youtube channel and post there. Kirby has played well in the last few weeks, with 5 and 3 point nights in the last two weeks. He's getting prime minutes, playing with Koko, so he's got help, but the effort has been great, and the body of work is showing it.

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regardless of the past month or two, i'd still take mackinnon over drouin.

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I've got great seats to the Windsor/London game in a few weeks. I'm going to try to get some video of Rychel, Domi, Zadorov, Horvat, Rupert(s).

I may open a youtube channel and post there. Kirby has played well in the last few weeks, with 5 and 3 point nights in the last two weeks. He's getting prime minutes, playing with Koko, so he's got help, but the effort has been great, and the body of work is showing it.
Have you seen him before? Does he play a gritty game? His goals totals are nothing to scoff at. ISS notes say:
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What's your opinion. That sounds like the kind of player I'd like. We need some top 6 grit.

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02-26-2013, 11:37 PM
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regardless of the past month or two, i'd still take mackinnon over drouin.
Me too. It takes more then a month and half for me to sour on, or pine for a prospect. Mac has been over analyzed for a few years now. He's still gonna be a star center, IMO. If this trend continues, and Mac doesn't put on a show in the playoffs, I will sway a bit more though.

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02-26-2013, 11:43 PM
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Have you seen him before? Does he play a gritty game? His goals totals are nothing to scoff at. ISS notes say:

What's your opinion. That sounds like the kind of player I'd like. We need some top 6 grit.
I live in Windsor and had to cancel my ST this year because of a lack of stability with slush money. I go to a game a week, usually, because my Fiancé works for a sponsor, so I get to see OHL prospects pretty regularly (Western Conference heavy, obviously).

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02-26-2013, 11:46 PM
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You know, there is just so much talent at the top of this deaft, you have to be excited about the state of hockey moving forward. Jones, MacK, Drouin, Barkov, Nichushkin, Monahan, Lindholm.... Down the list.

This is a healthy group of core players that we'll get to enjoy for the better part of 10-15 years.

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I live in Windsor and had to cancel my ST this year because of a lack of stability with slush money. I go to a game a week, usually, because my Fiancé works for a sponsor, so I get to see OHL prospects pretty regularly (Western Conference heavy, obviously).
Enough about you, tell me about the kid!!

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02-26-2013, 11:53 PM
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You know, there is just so much talent at the top of this deaft, you have to be excited about the state of hockey moving forward. Jones, MacK, Drouin, Barkov, Nichushkin, Monahan, Lindholm.... Down the list.

This is a healthy group of core players that we'll get to enjoy for the better part of 10-15 years.
I think there's a lot of offensive potential in this draft. Rychel would've likely gone 15-20 had he been born a week or so earlier.

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02-27-2013, 12:00 AM
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So because one guy did it we're going to think every player with the same passport as him will do the same thing? That just doesn't make sense to me.

Do GM's have this idea? Maybe, I'm not really sure, but I don't think they should if they do.

Well if Nichushkin falls on draft day will you be convinced then? I'm sure the analysts will provide more insight on draft day...

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I think there's a lot of offensive potential in this draft. Rychel would've likely gone 15-20 had he been born a week or so earlier.
Kirby has a nasty reputation for an entitled attitude, because his old man runs the team. He takes nights off, by precident, but recently he has really displayed a lot of effort, and had some nights where you like his game quietly, instead of hate it out loud (ya dig? Lol).

He's buckled down and played hard in recent weeks, despite the Spits playoff hopes being all but dead. He'll be back next year as a leader, on a team that miraculously may host the Memorial Cup (I'm skeptical), so he'll have his stage (potentially). Windsor has been a place to put on a show over the last few years.

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Well if Nichushkin falls on draft day will you be convinced then? I'm sure the analysts will provide more insight on draft day...
If he falls I'll believe that GM's are scared. I won't believe the Russian Factor. I still believe at this point its merely conjecture and Nichuskin falling wouldn't prove it.

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Wouldn't mind drafting Kerby Rychel if we were in our current position on draft day.

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Kirby has a nasty reputation for an entitled attitude, because his old man runs the team. He takes nights off, by precident, but recently he has really displayed a lot of effort, and had some nights where you like his game quietly, instead of hate it out loud (ya dig? Lol).

He's buckled down and played hard in recent weeks, despite the Spits playoff hopes being all but dead. He'll be back next year as a leader, on a team that miraculously may host the Memorial Cup (I'm skeptical), so he'll have his stage (potentially). Windsor has been a place to put on a show over the last few years.
So if the Leafs were in a position to draft him (depending on where of course and who is on the board at that time) you would be reluctant to draft him? Good friend is a Spits Alumni, but I have no feedback or have watched Rychel

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02-27-2013, 10:45 AM
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So if the Leafs were in a position to draft him (depending on where of course and who is on the board at that time) you would be reluctant to draft him? Good friend is a Spits Alumni, but I have no feedback or have watched Rychel
Based on talent and potential, I'd take him between 19-25, depending on who's slipped. If he continues to show effort, and work hard, it's hard to say no to a potential scoring power forward prospect, given that we could use one in the top 6.

If he doesn't develop into a top 6 player, you've got your third line center between two rough and tumble kids in Biggs and Rychel.

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If he falls I'll believe that GM's are scared. I won't believe the Russian Factor. I still believe at this point its merely conjecture and Nichuskin falling wouldn't prove it.

No offense, but I don't get what you're trying to say? If there is no Russian factor, what are the GM's scared of then?

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No offense, but I don't get what you're trying to say? If there is no Russian factor, what are the GM's scared of then?
His actual abilities perhaps?

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I believe Terrence said it in the past and so have some others now as well, but agreed completely. Mackinnon is still the guy I'd take over Drouin as much as I've been showing him love.

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His actual abilities perhaps?
If he falls much further than 10 it's not his abilities...he's definately a top 5 talent.

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Me too. It takes more then a month and half for me to sour on, or pine for a prospect. Mac has been over analyzed for a few years now. He's still gonna be a star center, IMO. If this trend continues, and Mac doesn't put on a show in the playoffs, I will sway a bit more though.
More than a month. Drouin has been fantastic ever since he joined Halifax. He has out-produced MacKinnon in terms of Junior PPG (1.48PPG for MacKinnon; 1.61PPG for Drouin), and was picked 2nd overall only behind MacKinnon (who was a child prodigy so it's not like Drouin even had a chance to surpass him). Drouin also grossly outperformed him in the World Juniors, and has proved that he doesn't need MacKinnon to succeed.

The case is there for this kid to be the first pick.

Just for fun; who would people pick between Drouin and Yakupov?

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TIL: Lazar has 19 goals in his last 23 games.

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No offense, but I don't get what you're trying to say? If there is no Russian factor, what are the GM's scared of then?
Are GM's as a collective group free from being wrong? Of course not. GM's make mistakes all the time. Hence how a guy like Benn gets drafted in the third round, a guy like Eberle falls to the 20's, and Weber goes in the 2nd round instead of being the first dman drafted or how a guy like Daigle goes first overall and busts. That's not to mention other mistakes they've all made outside the draft etc.

There is this idea in the hockey community that players from Russia are more likely to not leave or to go back. I think this categorically untrue. For whatever reason one player scared a group of people so badly, they are all scared its going to happen again because of only a players PASSPORT

There is literally no statistical evidence that shows a Russian player is more likely to stay in Russia and play in the KHL based only on his place of birth. Only Radulov left (and actually came back, but thats a whole other issue) after being drafted and playing for a team, and only Kuznetsov has been drafted and not come over. And even Kuznetzov has mentioned he didn't feel mentally prepared for the NHL and that the Lockout/Olympics played into his choice and he still plans on playing in the NHL.

Tarasenko was said to be one of those players, and look where he's currently playing right now. Yakupov actually played in the KHL, got paid more to do so, and still came back to the NHL the moment it started up again. Look at Filatov, a guy who is often used to prove this idea. He came to the NHL after being drafted, played for CBJ, didn't take so well to the atmosphere and left to the KHL. Oh you must be right, Russian Factor and all right? Nope. He came back to them, tried again, played AHL time, went to Ottawa and played, played in Binghampton and onyl after his NHL career was over did he leave.

The only NHLers to CHOOSE the KHL over the NHL had their choices made for them. They are players whose careers are on the downtrend and had no NHL spot, so they choose KHL money over maybe being a fourth liner in the NHL. Kovalev (very briefly), Anton Babchuk and oh he came back to the NHL too, Jiri Hudler (oh look, he came back...starting to see a trend here?). Kulemin and Grabovski have been rumored multiple times to be going to the KHL during contract years, even though they said they loved the Leafs and the NHL and wouldn't leave. Kovy had the same thing.

Prospects: Dmitri Orlov - He's playing in the AHL now. Kabanov, a poster boy in recent years for this "Russian Factor". Actually left, but then came back. Koko left for the KHL and then...came back. Namestnikov hasn't left.

Honestly, it's absolutely insane to me that a player would drop because of his passport. It's borderline discrimination. And all based on only two players. If there was statistical proof? Then maybe I'd understand the stereotype, but there isn't. None. Zero. Zilch.

Russian players aren't a flight risk. Nothing in recent history proves that.

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More than a month. Drouin has been fantastic ever since he joined Halifax. He has out-produced MacKinnon in terms of Junior PPG (1.48PPG for MacKinnon; 1.61PPG for Drouin), and was picked 2nd overall only behind MacKinnon (who was a child prodigy so it's not like Drouin even had a chance to surpass him). Drouin also grossly outperformed him in the World Juniors, and has proved that he doesn't need MacKinnon to succeed.

The case is there for this kid to be the first pick.

Just for fun; who would people pick between Drouin and Yakupov?
I know Drouin has been used on the wing, but can he also play centre?

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TIL: Lazar has 19 goals in his last 23 games.
He's been very good recently. He definitely has more offensive potential than often given credit for.

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I know Drouin has been used on the wing, but can he also play centre?
He used to be a centre, and I believe he's a natural C.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/jonathan-drouin/

You can see him listed as a C there, from when he started to get recognized as a prospect.



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Very excited about this guy. Getting him outside the top 10 is an absolute steal.

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I know Drouin has been used on the wing, but can he also play centre?
I believe he played centre in midget hockey. It would be interesting to see him try it again, however the added responsibilities of a centre would give him less freedom to be creative.

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