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Can a 1a/1b scenario with goaltenders actually work?

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02-27-2013, 12:57 AM
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Can a 1a/1b scenario with goaltenders actually work?

It seems that many teams view that this could in theory work. This is evident by general managers referring to their team as having two capable goaltenders or a head coach denying that a particular goaltender is the starter.

However, it seems that in practice this will reach an inevitable failure. One goaltender will eventually justify the assertion that he should be the number one goaltender, and therefore be playing the majority of the games. It also becomes extremely tough to decide the starter in the playoffs.

But, maybe perhaps, it is a relatively new strategy that is not yet utilized to its fullest capacity. So as of now it is problematic, but won't be in the future.

What do you think? Does it have any merit? Are coaches right in even going this route, instead of declaring a clear starter?

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I think it depends if you are have 2 legit # 1's (Canucks) or if you have 2 back-ups (hawks)

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it depends, if your goalie is good enough, it can take your team to the cup, as the 06 Canes proved (gerber was 1, Ward 2)

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it depends, if your goalie is good enough, it can take your team to the cup, as the 06 Canes proved (gerber was 1, Ward 2)
Ward was the clear backup that year...oh yah, and a rookie too. He just got lucky Gerber **** the bed then sealed his opportunity and won the Hurricanes their first cup.


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It seems that many teams view that this could in theory work. This is evident by general managers referring to their team as having two capable goaltenders or a head coach denying that a particular goaltender is the starter.

However, it seems that in practice this will reach an inevitable failure. One goaltender will eventually justify the assertion that he should be the number one goaltender, and therefore be playing the majority of the games. It also becomes extremely tough to decide the starter in the playoffs.

But, maybe perhaps, it is a relatively new strategy that is not yet utilized to its fullest capacity. So as of now it is problematic, but won't be in the future.

What do you think? Does it have any merit? Are coaches right in even going this route, instead of declaring a clear starter?
You do realize that the tandem system with goalies was the general rule in the NHL for about 20 years right (from the late '60s, early '70s to the late '80s)?

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In todays NHL I could only see two situations work out for any period of time. First being two up and comers battling for a slot, second being two veterans who were never quite good enough for a true number one slot. Everywhere else I would think egos would get in the way.

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For a short time. Both want to play, and one WILL leave whether it's through trade or FA.

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Boston says hello. Thomas/Rask and Rask/Khudobin has potential.

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It seems as if Halak only plays well in this type of situation. When he's given the outright #1 position he struggles but as soon as he gets some competition from the backup he plays amazing. Happened in both Montreal and now in St. Louis. Elliott actually seems that way too, played well with Halak healthy and then was terrible whenever Halak has been hurt. We'll see how he plays now that Halak is healthy and gets in a few games.

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Boston says hello. Thomas/Rask and Rask/Khudobin has potential.
When Thomas was there, he was clearly the #1. There was no 1a 1 b. And for the OP's question, no it cannot work. Just look at how Price/Halak worked. Maybe because it was in Montreal, but every time someone had a bad performance the coach had the pressure to put the other goalie. Yea it might works for short term, but in the long run it can't.

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Ward was the clear backup that year...oh yah, and a rookie too. He just got lucky Gerber **** the bed then sealed his opportunity and won the Hurricanes their first cup.
Did you mean that literally? He had a stomach virus and couldn't play.


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Reimer/Scrivens proved to be a vaulable tandem as it provided a capable option when Reimer went down.

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When Thomas was there, he was clearly the #1. There was no 1a 1 b. And for the OP's question, no it cannot work. Just look at how Price/Halak worked. Maybe because it was in Montreal, but every time someone had a bad performance the coach had the pressure to put the other goalie. Yea it might works for short term, but in the long run it can't.
Really? What was Thomas doing sitting on the bench in playoffs 3 years ago?

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it worked with the bruins

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Its working in Toronto.

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Really? What was Thomas doing sitting on the bench in playoffs 3 years ago?
Waiting for hip surgery.

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Its working in Toronto.
He said two number 1's.

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The tandem I always think of is Mike Richter and John Vanbiesbrouck.

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He said two number 1's.
Leafs rank 3rd in team goal-tending.

Reimer

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Scrivens

12 GP - 6W - 5L - 2.18GAA - .928Sv%

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I think it depends if you are have 2 legit # 1's (Canucks) or if you have 2 back-ups (hawks)
Sooo... are you saying the 2 back-ups are better, since those 2 back-ups are a combined 16-0-3?

If that was an attempt at a cut you have failed big time, sorry guy.

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Leafs rank 3rd in team goal-tending.

Reimer

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Scrivens

12 GP - 6W - 5L - 2.18GAA - .928Sv%
Neither Reimer or Scrivens have proven to be legit #1s yet.

And as for the original question, it can't work for long. Maybe for a season or two but eventually one goalie will want more responsibility and someone will have to be moved.

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Vanbiesbrouck and Richter say 'sup.

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FERNANDEZ / ROLOSON FTW

It's working okay for Vancouver right now although the past couple of games it hasn't been pretty. It can work, and might be better in a condensed season, it's just a matter of efficient cap management.

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Boston says hello. Thomas/Rask and Rask/Khudobin has potential.
I don't know, I wouldn't say Thomas/Rask was ever a 1a/1b situation when Thomas was 100% healthy. He usually got 70% of the starts.

Rask/Khudobin won't be one either. Rask's started >80% of the games so far, and even as the Bruins schedule gets crazy over the next two months I'll bet he still gets at least double the starts that Khudobin gets.

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Halak/Elliott did ok last year.

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