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02-26-2013, 01:15 PM
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Does Kovalchuk go into the Winnipeg Jets Hall of Fame or get his number retired up there? He's technically the best player in the current installment of that franchise's history, unless they're completely ignoring their Atlanta roots.
I believe that the only thing they are taking from Atlanta is Dan Snyder's legacy.

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02-26-2013, 01:33 PM
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On a similar note, if the Coyotes relocate to Quebec City, what happens to Doan's legacy.

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02-26-2013, 01:52 PM
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On a similar note, if the Coyotes relocate to Quebec City, what happens to Doan's legacy.
He's been a nice, above average player...but I don't think he'll leave much of a legacy. Played in relative anonymity his entire career. He'll be remembered as a rare Coyotes lifer. The closest thing they've had as a face of the franchise. Maybe how Dineen is remembered in Hartford

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02-26-2013, 03:31 PM
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Did he look like this?
Well, I'll be... yep, it was him. Running around the stands with that drum, leading crazy chants at the opposing team. This was during the mid-90s ECHL, way over here on the east coast.

It's been close to 20 years since I saw him (and that was almost 20 years after the video above), but he's still probably the best I've ever seen at organizing crowd chants. And that drum cut right through the rest of the noise in the arena.

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Well, I'll be... yep, it was him. Running around the stands with that drum, leading crazy chants at the opposing team. This was during the mid-90s ECHL, way over here on the east coast.

It's been close to 20 years since I saw him (and that was almost 20 years after the video above), but he's still probably the best I've ever seen at organizing crowd chants. And that drum cut right through the rest of the noise in the arena.
There was a guy that walked around the old Omni during Atlanta Knights games with a trumpet. He actually fell through the glass during the 1994 Turner Cup final against Fort Wayne.

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02-26-2013, 05:02 PM
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as the Thrashees.

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02-26-2013, 05:09 PM
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he's still probably the best I've ever seen at organizing crowd chants. And that drum cut right through the rest of the noise in the arena.
I assume you haven't been to a hockey game (not to mention soccer) in Europe?

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02-26-2013, 05:15 PM
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It doesn't matter. Krazy George is the world's most famous cheerleader.

Helluva threadjack.

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02-26-2013, 05:23 PM
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As long as some of us are around, no one will ever forget.... And if I had the cash to do so, I'd be putting a team there in the next expansion cycle. It'll work; the issues involving Atlanta were entirely ownership-related.
Yes, I completely agree. Gone but not forgotten. In fact, I still think Atlanta every time I see a Calgary jersey or hear "Flames". That move right there back in 1980 should never have been permitted to have taken place, Calgary entering via Expansion. Legendary actor Glenn Ford along with a number of investors offering fair market value, enthusiasm, honourable intent. Thats twice now the NHL's failed in a virtual no-brainer market, broken its covenants with not only the fans in Georgia & the throughout the south but with right thinking fans everywhere else as well.

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Then it all unraveled...
It was deliberate, malicious, deceitful. ASG had absolutely no interest in the Thrashers. Red headed stepchild they didnt want that came with the other goodies.

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On a similar note, if the Coyotes relocate to Quebec City, what happens to Doan's legacy.
Probably have an arena in Scottsdale or elsewhere in Phoenix named after him; display case setup at Glendale arena. If the team does wind up in Quebec or elsewhere I think he may well play out his contract somewhere else but his home is in Arizona, returning thereafter. Sunk some deep roots in the community.

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Does Kovalchuk go into the Winnipeg Jets Hall of Fame or get his number retired up there? He's technically the best player in the current installment of that franchise's history, unless they're completely ignoring their Atlanta roots.
They are.

Winnipeg is the only relocated team in history to use an "inaugural season" patch on their jerseys.

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02-26-2013, 05:37 PM
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It doesn't matter. Krazy George is the world's most famous cheerleader.
I doubt anybody outside your borders is aware of him. As opposed to Manolo Cáceres Artesero who has Wikipedia entries in 10 different languages because he is actually recognized around the world.

No offence, that George guy seems to have been one of a kind.

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02-26-2013, 05:57 PM
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I doubt anybody outside your borders is aware of him. As opposed to Manolo Cáceres Artesero who has Wikipedia entries in 10 different languages because he is actually recognized around the world.

No offence, that George guy seems to have been one of a kind.
saskganesh is Canadian, so this crazy george dude is from outside his borders.

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They are.

Winnipeg is the only relocated team in history to use an "inaugural season" patch on their jerseys.
They're also the only relocated team in history which assumed the name of a team which had previously been in the market (and which team continued to exist, albeit under a different name).

Mind you we might have two more examples of this as people in Seattle and Quebec City seem set on Supersonics and Nordiques.

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saskganesh is Canadian, so this crazy george dude is from outside his borders.
The borders of North America. I know there is a lot of space from sea to shining sea, but it's not the "World".

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I assume you haven't been to a hockey game (not to mention soccer) in Europe?
What does that matter? He's still the best I've ever seen at organizing crowds. I didn't say he's the best in recorded history.

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02-26-2013, 09:09 PM
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Watching them get destroyed in the playoffs.

Kovalchuk

Hossa trade. I almost cant believe he actually played in ATL at one point in his career!

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02-27-2013, 04:49 AM
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What does that matter? He's still the best I've ever seen at organizing crowds. I didn't say he's the best in recorded history.
I didn't claim you said that. I just wanted to know for sure whether you have been or not. No disrespect or offence implied.

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So let's break down what I said, which was "Winnipeg is the only relocated team in history to use an "inaugural season" patch on their jerseys."

The following teams were the beneficiaries of a relocated franchise in the NHL.

Hamilton Tigers (1920-21, from Quebec)
New York Americans (1925-26, from Hamilton)
Philadelphia Quakers (1930-31, from Pittsburgh)
St. Louis Eagles (1934-35, from Ottawa)
Cleveland Barons (1976-77, from Oakland)
Colorado Rockies (1976-77, from Kansas City)
Calgary Flames (1980-81, from Atlanta)
New Jersey Devils (1982-83, from Colorado)
Dallas Stars (1993-94, from Minnesota)
Colorado Avalanche (1995-96, from Quebec)
Phoenix Coyotes (1996-97, from Winnipeg)
Carolina Hurricanes (1997-98, from Hartford)
Winnipeg Jets (2011-12, from Atlanta)

That's it. That's the entire history of NHL relocations right there. But again, what I said was "Winnipeg is the only relocated team in history to use an "inaugural season" patch on their jerseys." So let's go further.

Did any of the following teams in that first season have some type of "inaugural season" patch?

Hamilton Tigers - Obviously, no
New York Americans - Nice uniforms, but no
Philadelphia Quakers - Only lasted one year anyway
St. Louis Eagles - So did these guys
Cleveland Barons - Still the best sleeve numbers in history, but no
Colorado Rockies - No
Calgary Flames - No
New Jersey Devils - No; these are distinguished by the Sandow tail tagging
Dallas Stars - No, and the only changes from the previous year were the Texas patches on the shoulders
Colorado Avalanche - Only year for this tail tagging
Phoenix Coyotes - This is photomatched to the first year
Carolina Hurricanes - Obviously a dated photo
Winnipeg Jets - Wait a minute....what's the patch? It almost looks like ...like this! My eyes might not be too good any more, but I think that says "inaugural season" on it.

Why, this whole exercise would almost seem to indicate that the Winnipeg Jets are the only team in NHL history to have an "inaugural season" patch on their jersey after relocating. Now, what I had originally said was "Winnipeg is the only relocated team in history to use an "inaugural season" patch on their jerseys." That looks like a true statement, a 100% clearly factual statement.

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Carolina Hurricanes - Obviously a dated photo
Aaah, the good old days before they remembered to order red socks and helmets.

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"Winnipeg is the only relocated team in history to use an "inaugural season" patch on their jerseys."

Hamilton Tigers - Obviously, no
New York Americans - Nice uniforms, but no
Absolutely. Thanks for pointing that out, interesting, though why anyone would find it even remotely disparaging I have absolutely no idea whatsoever. Indeed, the history of teams "patching" their jerseys & or helmets is an interesting one.... As a side-bar to the Hamilton-NY sale & relocation; the team during transition, the sale to Big Bill Dwyer & relocation to NYC was for awhile called the New York Hamilton Tigers. By the time Training Camp had opened however, a proper name, the Americans and their fabulous jerseys designed, though anecdotally Ive read bits that suggest Dwyer was considering Tigers, same colour scheme etc.

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Aaah, the good old days before they remembered to order red socks and helmets.
Don't forget Colorado early in the 1995-96 season wearing black helmets with white jerseys.

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Absolutely. Thanks for pointing that out, interesting, though why anyone would find it even remotely disparaging I have absolutely no idea whatsoever. Indeed, the history of teams "patching" their jerseys & or helmets is an interesting one.... As a side-bar to the Hamilton-NY sale & relocation; the team during transition, the sale to Big Bill Dwyer & relocation to NYC was for awhile called the New York Hamilton Tigers. By the time Training Camp had opened however, a proper name, the Americans and their fabulous jerseys designed, though anecdotally Ive read bits that suggest Dwyer was considering Tigers, same colour scheme etc.
Interesting stuff there.

My personal favorite patch story is that it used to be common in the early 20th century to have a special patch to commemorate the previous year's championship. Out of every single team that ever had a patch of some type, they never won another Cup while it was worn.

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Didn't the Tigers officially go defunct with the contracts being sold to the expansion Americans?

And the St. Louis Cardinals wore patches after the year they won the WS. It was also common in baseball in the early 1900s.

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The legacy of the Atlanta Thrashers will be one of the lousiest and worst franchises in NHL history. It will be seen as the NHL's failure to jam hockey down the throat of a city that didn't like it in the first place. In 1980 Atlanta went to Calgary and only last 8 years in the NHL prior to that. 19 years later they somehow got a team back and lasted 12 years. Two failures means you should never try them again. It is pointless.

This was an incompetent franchise who had a 1st, 2nd and 1st overall pick in a row and somehow managed to screw it up. I know people complain and say the Pens and Hawks were just so bad for so long and that's why they have the teams they have. Wrong. You can be in the position to have a great future and still mangle it up. Atlanta did and Columbus always has.

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It will be seen as the NHL's failure to jam hockey down the throat of a city that didn't like it in the first place.
In what way were the Thrashers jammed down anyone's throat?

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I was told I was a good fan for supporting the team up until the end. I don't feel like a good fan. I feel like a chump.


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