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02-27-2013, 10:12 AM
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Drafting in the Top 3, THIS YEAR, is probably the most important result that can come from this year.

Nothing would have a bigger impact on the franchise going forward.
Quoted for truth.

I'd be sososososo happy.

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02-27-2013, 10:16 AM
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As someone else put it, tanking is better then medicoracy. At this point, the BEST they could do is mediocracy, so ALL IN for the tank. That's not to say I won't enjoy watching them win games or sit there and cheer for them to lose individual games.

It would be exciting to see them get a top 3 pick and see what that caliber player could do.

History:
1970 - 1st overall - Gilbert Perreault
1971 - 5th overall - Rick Martin
1972 - 5th overall - Jim Schoenfeld
- No top 5 pick for a while -
1982 - 6th overall - Phil Housley (later parlayed for Dale Hawerchuk)
1983 - 5h overall - Tom Barrasso
1986 - 5th overall - Shawn Anderson (BOOOO)
1987 - 1st overall - Pierre Turgeon
2003 - 5th overall - Thomas Vanek

They've done historically well with a top 5 pick.


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02-27-2013, 10:16 AM
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I love when the Sabres win, but this is the season to be in the top three

I think getting MacKinnon is the franchise changing move Buffalo needs. He's that player in a few ways.

- His skill level is elite. MacKinnon is the 1C Buffalo's been waiting for.

- MacKinnon as the 1C allows Hodgson to be the 2C, and Grigorenko to get easy minutes.

- MacKinnon changes Regier's hand for trades. He'd have MacKinnon, Hodgson, Grigorenko, Ennis, and Girgensons. He might drop his interest in keep Ennis or Grigorenko to acquire players like Bobby Ryan or Ryan O'Reilly.

For that situation, yeah, I'd like to Sabres to avoid their late season heroics.

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02-27-2013, 10:20 AM
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As long as you miss the playoffs and are in the lottery, you can get the 1st overall pick.

The percentages stay the same as they were in the old system. The change is that if you win, you get #1, not just move up a couple spots like before.
Percentages are not the same. Last year if you were last it was something like a 47% chance to get 1st overall, this year if your 30th in the league you have a 25% chance to get 1st overall.

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02-27-2013, 10:21 AM
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Is it possible Darcy (knowing Rolston was the best choice at maintaining the bottom feeding, while still looking like he's giving the guy a shot at the big leagues) at this point wants to pick in the top 3 also? He's risking his own neck to be sure, but he's gambling on the upcoming draft and summer time player movements, along with a new coach hire to save his skin.

Possible right?

As possible as winning the Stanley Cup.

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02-27-2013, 10:22 AM
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I'm not going to be rooting against the Sabres - but the silver lining that comes with each notch in the loss column is becoming more and more of a favorable consolation. We have some young players on the team who have a lot of great potential. If they can get their game together at the same time the Sabres bring in a real difference-maker, that's a solid foundation.

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02-27-2013, 10:24 AM
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Percentages are not the same. Last year if you were last it was something like a 47% chance to get 1st overall, this year if your 30th in the league you have a 25% chance to get 1st overall.
I believe that outside of the 30th place team, the percentages stay the same.

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02-27-2013, 10:25 AM
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I believe that outside of the 30th place team, the percentages stay the same.
Yep it is along with the chance for everyone out side of the playoffs to have a chance at winning the lottery. That percentage change was implemented because of Edmonton I believe. But thats a pretty drastic change as the worst team in the league only has a 1/4 chance to get 1st overall pick compared to having a 50% chance at it.

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Yep it is along with the chance for everyone out side of the playoffs to have a chance at winning the lottery. That percentage change was implemented because of Edmonton I believe. But thats a pretty drastic change as the worst team in the league only has a 1/4 chance to get 1st overall pick compared to having a 50% chance at it.
This year it seems okay, seeing that there are arguably 3 #1 overall picks, and that you can only fall one place in draft position, but if this was any other year it would seem very drastic for sure.

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02-27-2013, 10:40 AM
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Thanks to all for the info on the draft lottery.

If I understand what was passed along. We need to be 29th or 30th to guarantee a top 3 pick.

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02-27-2013, 10:43 AM
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Thanks to all for the info on the draft lottery.

If I understand what was passed along. We need to be 29th or 30th to guarantee a top 3 pick.
Correct.

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I'm not going to be rooting against the Sabres - but the silver lining that comes with each notch in the loss column is becoming more and more of a favorable consolation. We have some young players on the team who have a lot of great potential. If they can get their game together at the same time the Sabres bring in a real difference-maker, that's a solid foundation.
yeah, i agree with this...i wont actively root for them to lose out, but moreso an indifference to whatever they end up doing...its beyond our control.

I'm just thankful we dont have to watch this current team for 60 more games, great season to not care so much.

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Thanks to all for the info on the draft lottery.

If I understand what was passed along. We need to be 29th or 30th to guarantee a top 3 pick.
Yeah, you can only drop 1 spot no matter what.

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02-27-2013, 11:20 AM
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So is the lottery televised? If so, when is it so I can set up a party.

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The need for elite talent in the long-term far out-weighs my desire to see them win in the short-term, especially when this season has already been such a disaster. The direction from above is to win a Cup, not to just sneak into the playoffs. Building a Cup winner requires elite talent and the best place to find elite talent is at the very top of the draft class.

And I do hate the new draft lottery. Wouldn't it be funny if a team like Philly falls a point outside the playoffs to end the year and wins MacKinnon? Or say, Pittsburgh? What a hoot. :l

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And I do hate the new draft lottery. Wouldn't it be funny if a team like Philly falls a point outside the playoffs to end the year and wins MacKinnon? Or say, Pittsburgh? What a hoot. :l
Odds of Winning the 1st Overall Pick:

1st - 25.0%
2nd - 18.8%
3rd - 14.2%
4th - 10.7%
5th - 8.1%
6th - 6.2%
7th - 4.7%
8th - 3.6%
9th - 2.7%
10th - 2.1%
11th - 1.5%
12th - 1.1%
13th - 0.8%
14th - 0.5%


I don't think we'll have to worry tooooo much about a 9th or 10th placed team winning the lottery. But you're right, it technically could happen and would seriously blow.

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The need for elite talent in the long-term far out-weighs my desire to see them win in the short-term, especially when this season has already been such a disaster. The direction from above is to win a Cup, not to just sneak into the playoffs. Building a Cup winner requires elite talent and the best place to find elite talent is at the very top of the draft class.

And I do hate the new draft lottery. Wouldn't it be funny if a team like Philly falls a point outside the playoffs to end the year and wins MacKinnon? Or say, Pittsburgh? What a hoot. :l
Pittsburgh not likely, but the Rags....

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Not to be a Debbie Downer, but we are only 4 points out of a playoff spot.

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I'll start. Yesterday was the first time I felt this way. If they string together a few, I can come back, but watching Stamkos made me so envious. We have some nice parts, but we need someone with that elite talent if we want to get where we want to go. We don't have any elite talent. Vanek is as close as we come, and he's a 65 point winger. We need more.
1 elite player doesn't make a team. A good team that work well together can make a cup though (imho). I think we do need a better second line and we need our youth to keep developing but 1 top 3 overall pick will not help us. It's a pot luck shot that you'll get a stud, media attention and maybe a leader in the future. Our last draft worked wonders for us but I'll always say a good, deep draft with multiple NHL level players who can help and several levels beats 1 eilte player from a crap overall draft.

Remember Miller was a 5th rounder who led the USA to a silver medal and got MVP honors.

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02-27-2013, 11:47 AM
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Is one year of suck, gaining a top 3 pick really enough to "right the ship"?
I'm ok with the fail train for this year, not another 9th place finish.

What scares me most is 3 more years of a team like this.

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1 elite player doesn't make a team. A good team that work well together can make a cup though (imho). I think we do need a better second line and we need our youth to keep developing but 1 top 3 overall pick will not help us. It's a pot luck shot that you'll get a stud, media attention and maybe a leader in the future. Our last draft worked wonders for us but I'll always say a good, deep draft with multiple NHL level players who can help and several levels beats 1 eilte player from a crap overall draft.

Remember Miller was a 5th rounder who led the USA to a silver medal and got MVP honors.
You're right, but add an elite player into our crop of promising young talent and we look pretttttty prettttty good.

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Most top picks sign for long contracts. One bad year likely gives you a supreme talent to watch for years and hopefully contribute to a cup winning team

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Let's just forget the "let's tank" stuff..

We've already tanked.

It doesn't matter what we want, or what the team wants.... They aren't talented. They are gonna lose a lot of games.

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Yeah, you can only drop 1 spot no matter what.
Wait, so if the 14th place team wins the lottery and moves up to #1, that means the order is instantly cemented because each team can only drop by one. Last place team goes to #2, #2 to #3, and so on...?

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Wait, so if the 14th place team wins the lottery and moves up to #1, that means the order is instantly cemented because each team can only drop by one. Last place team goes to #2, #2 to #3, and so on...?
yes..there's only one drawing, and thats for pick 1, everyone else just slides 1 spot

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