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02-27-2013, 04:00 AM
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I thought you knew a little bit about goalies...until it took you almost 8 hours to pick Barrasso!
We're not in the same time frame. I just woke up (it's 9:00AM in Belfast).

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02-27-2013, 05:11 AM
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Viking Maniacs selects not so crazy, but solid, Ken Morrow.

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nanooks select RW Harry Hyland.

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02-27-2013, 05:48 AM
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nanooks select RW Harry Hyland.
This time it was me who did not send a PM to the next one, but nice to see you've learnt that when i'm up i move quick. Perhaps too quick on some occations but it has to do with a need to sleep some times.

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02-27-2013, 05:53 AM
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nanooks select RW Harry Hyland.
Nanooks just selected a fantastic, bargain basement offensive forward.

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02-27-2013, 07:06 AM
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Halifax selects Dave Balon, LW to finish off our third line.

Balon-Tkaczuk-Ellis
That's a really aggressive 3rd line that will play well both ways. Not extremely dangerous offensively, but they will check like mad, hit everything that moves, and chip in some points, especially against units that are vulnerable to a hard forecheck.

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02-27-2013, 08:59 AM
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Well, I'm up in NH and I forgot my list. Just as well....I was trying to move up because there was a player I wanted and I knew that there was someone here who may possibly pick them again as they had in the past....but I had forgotten the name! So I went back and found him......and then realized he had already been picked!!

So I'm going to fill out my 2nd pairing....a right-hand shot who was known as a rough and ready player in his own end, rush the puck and score (He was #5 among defensemen in scoring and goals and leading or tying in goals on Montreal 6 times in his his decade of play).....and in a pinch, play GK.

The Boston Mules pick Albert "Battleship" Leduc / D.


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02-27-2013, 09:00 AM
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02-27-2013, 09:08 AM
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I've spent the first 13 rounds drafting an all-time great scorer (Lalonde), a skillful, physical defense, a dominant goalie and a corps of versatile, high-character, high-effort forwards … now Dallas will add a coach who has an idea or two about how best to employ them all:

From Hamilton, Ontario … Dick Irvin Sr

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02-27-2013, 09:10 AM
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I think this method is probably the fairest way to deal with 1992... but god, it's a hell of a lot of work.

Before he got banned again, the poster Cognition had an idea to average the top 18 scorers in the league every season and use that as the standard. I thought it was a great idea, but would want to see it tested in practice, and it's a lot of work to set up. (He picked 18 because that was the number of 1st line spots available in the original 6).
That is an idea I had thought about before as wel.

I believe matnor did something similar too.

It would maybe make sense to average the first liners based on the number of teams to automatically take into account the changing size of the league.

For example now you'd average the top 90 forwards to get the "average first liner" idea to measure players against.

This kind of concept would automatically combine some aspects of placement, average scoring and league size. It would be interesting to see the results of a few setups like this..

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02-27-2013, 09:10 AM
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Alrighty then. I'll be back shortly with my pick.

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02-27-2013, 09:36 AM
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It'll be Bob Bourne

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02-27-2013, 10:04 AM
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It'll be Bob Bourne
How many times have you selected Bourne now D?

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How many times have you selected Bourne now D?
Almost as many times as I've selected Larry Robinson.

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Almost as many times as I've selected Larry Robinson.
???

I was referring to the statistic that Dwight has owned him 3 of the last 4 drafts.

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02-27-2013, 10:12 AM
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Some people just have ''their guys''. Modo's is Punch Broadbent, EB's is Odie Cleghorn.

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02-27-2013, 10:15 AM
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???

I was referring to the statistic that Dwight has owned him 3 of the last 4 drafts.
I had Robinson in 8, 10 and this one.
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Some people just have ''their guys''. Modo's is Punch Broadbent, EB's is Odie Cleghorn.
Agreed. Some of my favorite players are still on the board so here's hoping the next couple rounds go my way ...

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02-27-2013, 10:21 AM
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I had Robinson in 8, 10 and this one.
Had no idea this wasn't your first ATD!

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02-27-2013, 11:06 AM
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Some people just have ''their guys''. Modo's is Punch Broadbent, EB's is Odie Cleghorn.
Mine prior to this draft was Glen Harmon (and I even lobbied a little bit this time for Dreak to take him, but he rightly convinced me we needed other things).

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I've only owned Odie Cleghorn one time.

In 10 drafts:

4 times
Gordie Drillon (2ndRW, 1stRW, 2ndRW, 3rdRW)
XXX (13thF, 13thF, 4thLW, 13thF)

3 times
Frank Brimsek (1stG, 1stG, 1stG)
Ralph Backstrom (3rdC, 3rdC, 3rdC)
XXX (13thF, 4thC, 13thF)

2 times
Bobby Bauer (2ndRW, 1stRW)
Woody Dumart (2ndLW, 1stLW)
Milt Schmidt (2ndC, 1stC)
XXX (7thD, 5thD)
XXX (4thC, 13thF)
XXX (3rdRW, 3rdRW)
XXX (4thLW, 14thF)
Glen Harmon (6thD, 7thD)
Bryan Hextall Sr. (1stRW, 1stRW)
Fleming Mackell (3rdC, 4thC)
Ken Mosdell (4thC, 3rdC)
XXX (4thRW, 13thF)
Bert Olmstead (2ndLW, 1stLW)
Jacques Plante (1stG, 1stG)
XXX (4thLW, 4thLW)
Jim Thomson (3rdD, 2ndD)
Roy Worters (2ndG, 1stG)


I've reunited the Kraut line on two occasions.
I've reunited the Army line
I've reunited the Goal-A-Game line
I've reunited the Gold Dust Twin

To my knowledge, those are the only players I've drafted 2 or more times. In 10 drafts, I don't think I've abused taking my favourite players too much.

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02-27-2013, 11:25 AM
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How many times have you selected Bourne now D?
This is the 3rd time in a row that I've had him.

I don't object - I still believe he's a solid 3rd line forward. I'm not picking him just because I like him. I want to try and find more evidence of his versatility - thus far, only Pelletier truly says he can play all 3 forward positions. Many places just list him as a C.

I'm not too bad with repeats. This is my 4th HFBoards draft and I have (including this year):

Bob Bourne 3 times
Lionel Conacher 2 times
Bernie Federko 2 times
Jim Schoenfeld 2 times
Undrafted defenseman 2 times

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I've only owned Odie Cleghorn one time.

In 10 drafts:

4 times
Gordie Drillon (2ndRW, 1stRW, 2ndRW, 3rdRW)
XXX (13thF, 13thF, 4thLW, 13thF)

3 times
Frank Brimsek (1stG, 1stG, 1stG)
Ralph Backstrom (3rdC, 3rdC, 3rdC)
XXX (13thF, 4thC, 13thF)

2 times
Bobby Bauer (2ndRW, 1stRW)
Woody Dumart (2ndLW, 1stLW)
Milt Schmidt (2ndC, 1stC)
XXX (7thD, 5thD)
XXX (4thC, 13thF)
XXX (3rdRW, 3rdRW)
XXX (4thLW, 14thF)
Glen Harmon (6thD, 7thD)
Bryan Hextall Sr. (1stRW, 1stRW)
Fleming Mackell (3rdC, 4thC)
Ken Mosdell (4thC, 3rdC)
XXX (4thRW, 13thF)
Bert Olmstead (2ndLW, 1stLW)
Jacques Plante (1stG, 1stG)
XXX (4thLW, 4thLW)
Jim Thomson (3rdD, 2ndD)
Roy Worters (2ndG, 1stG)


I've reunited the Kraut line on two occasions.
I've reunited the Army line
I've reunited the Goal-A-Game line
I've reunited the Gold Dust Twin

To my knowledge, those are the only players I've drafted 2 or more times. In 10 drafts, I don't think I've abused taking my favourite players too much.
Seems like you're a big fan of players from the 40s and 50s, that or the guys that have all been selected are from that era and other eras are represented in the undrafteds.

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Had no idea this wasn't your first ATD!
cottonking has been around about as long as anybody here, except for LefaLadner, I guess.

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02-27-2013, 12:39 PM
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cottonking has been around about as long as anybody here, except for LefaLadner, I guess.
Just been a few years since I last sat for one of these. Already exciting to see how modern players like Datsyuk and Crosby have risen in the draft and how opinions have evolved on some older guys.
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Seems like you're a big fan of players from the 40s and 50s, that or the guys that have all been selected are from that era and other eras are represented in the undrafteds.
I think everybody has a decade of choice; mine is probably the 1970's. Given the complexity of the equation -- drafting role-players who have slipped based off perceived value on a team you're building in your own image -- it's inevitable a lot of teams will do this. No coincidence that Larry Robinson and Jere Lehtinen are two of my favorite players of all time.

Turk Broda (1G, 1G)
Tony Esposito (1G, 2G)
Lanny MacDonald (1R, 2R)
Jere Lehtinen (3R, 2L)
Larry Robinson (1D, 1D, 1D)
Leo Boivin (3D, 5D)
Undrafted (4L, 4R)
Undrafted (4C, 13F)

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Good discussion about vsX percentage scores, and I appreciate all the work some are putting in here and in other threads. One thing that hasn't been brought up yet, but I think is important is what should we consider a significant difference when comparing players?

Example
Player A scores 80pts one year and the benchmark is 100pts he gets an 80.

Player B scores 80pts the next year and the benchmark is 98pts he gets an 82.

IMO these two seasons are pretty much equal. The 2 point difference in the benchmark is nothing over the course of an entire season, and could easily come from things like player A's team having more PP opportunities, more empty net opportunities, etc.


So my question is, at what percentage difference can you clearly say one player's season is better than another?

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