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02-27-2013, 01:16 PM
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Canucks have placed rugged forward Aaron Volpatti on waivers. Honestly, I hope Chevy makes yet another waiver claim here. Volpatti could be a solid player who will add solid defensive play and lots of physicality and toughness, ideally on a line with Wright and Slater as he can play either wing. Miettinen is unreliable with injuries, Wellwood has been useless, Thorburn is losing his role on the team by the game it seems, Tangradi in my honest opinion isn't a fit at the NHL level.

Wright - Slater - Volpatti could be quite the combination of very solid defensive play, physicality and toughness. Could even bump Wright up to 3rd line LW and role a 4th line of Volpatti - Slater - Peluso/Thorburn.

I know we've got some bodies at forward, but i'd try and do something to make way for Volpatti, I think he could fit in much like Wright has been. I like players like this, and Wright, for example, because they can play in your bottom 6 and have a defined role, and excel in that role, which to me helps build identity throughout the team. Volpatti right now through projected 80 games is on pace for 210 hits, which in all of last season would rank him 16th overall in the NHL out of hits by forwards.

I could see Chevy not bothering here given our numbers and depth at forward, but in my own opinion I am not sold on a few of the passengers we're carrying in the bottom 6 at this point in time and I personally would shuffle the deck there a bit given the amount of unreliability Noel has encountered this season with a few guys.

Nonetheless, he played for the Moose in 2010-2011, and Noel coached him, so he and TNSE will have some familiarity.

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Volpatti isn’t overly big – he’s listed at 6′, 215 pounds – but he does add physical play and defensive responsibility in a depth role. He’s fought four times in 2013 already – twice more than the entire Oilers team – and fought five times in an abbreviated 2011-12 season, including a spirited tilt with Edmonton Oilers’ behemoth Andy Sutton. Despite relatively limited ice-time, he’s also second among Canucks forwards with 42 hits this year.

But while pugilism and willingness to hit are Volpatti’s best-known attributes, he’s also done strong work in a defensive role for the Canucks. Vancouver head coach Alain Vigneault has for some time now pioneered a new approach to using depth lines, deploying his fourth line as defensive zone specialists. The four forwards (and five of the top-seven) to see the highest percentage of their even-strength shifts start in the defensive zone last season all played for Vancouver, and Volpatti was one of them, starting four out of every five non-neutral zone shifts in his own end of the rink. In three years with the Canucks, Volpatti has started 122 5-on-5 shifts in the defensive zone and just 49 in the opposition’s end of the rink. While the Canucks have generally been out-shot in these situations, they’ve fared well this year – with Volpatti on the ice, Vancouver actually has a slight edge in shots despite the heavy defensive assignment.
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Tidbit more on Volpatti, he first tweet from Dan Murphy, who covers the Canucks for Sportsnet.

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Volpatti has been the #canucks most punishing hitter this season. Packed on 10lbs of muscle over summer to help beef up his physical play.
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Volpatti fought Sutton Tootoo, Staubitz, Carcillo, Winchester last year. He’s a willing responder gritty players respect. Ask @Struds1260

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Let's assume where there is smoke, there's fire with potential Buff and Hainsey trade rumors.

Once Toby is back, would you like the following deals?

1. Buff to Philly for:
Voracek+Gervais+2013 1st rd pick

2. Hainsey to Blues for:
2013 1st rd pick (blues)

3. Antropov to ?? for pick(s).

4. Wellwood to ?? for pick(s).

That would leave:

Kane/Burmi/Voracek
Ladd/Little/Wheeler
Wright/Jokinen/Peluso
Tangradi/Slater/Thorbs
Mittens

Toby/Bogo
Clitsome/Gervais
Stuart/Postma
Meech
and... maybe Trouba

Pavs/Montoya

And... multiple 1st rd picks in 2013 (three), and more later rd picks in 2013 or 2014. If the Jets do sign Trouba, to join the team this spring, then I think I might be okay with these types of moves, though our D is pretty thin. Though, Buff has been in and out of the line-up. No guarantees he stays healthy during a playoff push, either.

Thoughts?

Edit: plus the 3 potential 1st rd picks this year could ALL be potential lottery picks. Potentially, one could be 1st overall, but there's a chance all three are in top 14. So odds of grabbing a potential future top pairing dman (either Jones, Pullock, Nurse, Zadorov, or RR) AND a top 6 forward (likely either Monahan, Lindholm, Shinkaruk or Nichushkin) would be pretty good. Course, there's also the chance those 3 picks are #16+ as well. Though, having 3 gives some flexibility to move up on draft day.


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Tidbit more on Volpatti, he first tweet from Dan Murphy, who covers the Canucks for Sportsnet.

Nice nugget , sure True North has a read on him , so if they don't make a move it isn't because they would be unsure imo.

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I really liked how our lines were set up last night and how Noel rolled them, double shifted Kane, etc. I found it to be pretty effective.

I am a fan of hard nosed, rugged teams. I want teams to know when they play us it's going to be difficult, and win or lose they're likely getting bruised and banged up. No, I am not a Brian Burke - truculence and testosterone preacher, but I love tough, physical, in your face teams. We're not a great team as it stands, and I think we could get by with a line-up of the following. And, I like teams who have character, defined roles, an identity, etc.

Ladd - Little - Wheeler
Kane - Burmistrov - Antropov
Wright - Jokinen - Peluso
Volpatti - Slater - Thorburn/Tangradi/Miettinen (Volpatti can play RW to, so these LW can keep their position)


Perhaps ideally..

Ladd - Little - Wheeler
Kane - Jokinen - Burmistrov
Wright - Antropov - Wellwood
Volpatti - Slater - Peluso

As I said above, I liked how Noel utilized the line-up last night. And I think he could do that with the above line-up and it be effective. I also really like the look of a Wright - Slater - Volpatti line. Defensively responsible, physical, tough, etc. Noel would have some nice defined options here.

I have just not been happy with Wellwood, do not think he fits in here, but between him, Thorburn, Tangradi, he likely is the most versatile and likely to rebound and help the team. I like him and he was solid last year, but to me this year he has no role here, yet anyway. Tangradi is an AHL'er in my opinion. Not good enough for the 3rd line to be of any sort of impact, he's just "there.."... doesn't fit the 4th line. He is a Jason Jaffray, in my opinion.

Thorburn, in my opinion can be replaced by Peluso, who is smarter with the puck, has better hands, moves around the ice very well, and is tougher. Then there is Wright who can play 13-14 minutes a night, be effective, and occupy 3rd line duties, in my opinion.

This would give Noel freedom like he had last night to move guys around, double shift a guy like Kane every now and again throughout a game, which caused the Rangers fits last night. Opposing teams don't know which guys are coming out at all times, can throw a wrench at opposing coaches.

All in all, I am personally in favor of shuffling the deck here and trying to pieces in order to push out some of the passengers we're currently holding on to. If Chevy see's an upgrade, and one he see's as a fit, I feel he'll be proactive.

I know Thorburn is great in the room, and going by the Q&A stuff on TSNJets he's a big joker with the guys, but I would replace Thorburn and/or Tangradi with Volpatti today if I had the chance.


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Let's assume where there is smoke, there's fire with potential Buff and Hainsey trade rumors.

Once Toby is back, would you like the following deals?

1. Buff to Philly for:
Voracek+Gervais+2013 1st rd pick

2. Hainsey to Blues for:
2013 1st rd pick (blues)

3. Antropov to ?? for pick(s).

4. Wellwood to ?? for pick(s).

That would leave:

Kane/Burmi/Voracek
Ladd/Little/Wheeler
Wright/Jokinen/Peluso
Tangradi/Slater/Thorbs
Mittens

Toby/Bogo
Clitsome/Gervais
Stuart/Postma
Meech
and... maybe Trouba

Pavs/Montoya

And... multiple 1st rd picks in 2013 (three), and more later rd picks in 2013 or 2014. If the Jets do sign Trouba, to join the team this spring, then I think I might be okay with these types of moves, though our D is pretty thin. Though, Buff has been in and out of the line-up. No guarantees he stays healthy during a playoff push, either.

Thoughts?
Nothing to argue! I just feel that Byfug is irreplaceable. It will take two, maybe even three different players to replace what he brings with a single roster spot.


Trading Byfug has a Redden-Chara feel that I will never shake.

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02-27-2013, 02:20 PM
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Let's assume where there is smoke, there's fire with potential Buff and Hainsey trade rumors.

Once Toby is back, would you like the following deals?

1. Buff to Philly for:
Voracek+Gervais+2013 1st rd pick

2. Hainsey to Blues for:
2013 1st rd pick (blues)

3. Antropov to ?? for pick(s).

4. Wellwood to ?? for pick(s).

That would leave:

Kane/Burmi/Voracek
Ladd/Little/Wheeler
Wright/Jokinen/Peluso
Tangradi/Slater/Thorbs
Mittens

Toby/Bogo
Clitsome/Gervais
Stuart/Postma
Meech
and... maybe Trouba

Pavs/Montoya

And... multiple 1st rd picks in 2013 (three), and more later rd picks in 2013 or 2014. If the Jets do sign Trouba, to join the team this spring, then I think I might be okay with these types of moves, though our D is pretty thin. Though, Buff has been in and out of the line-up. No guarantees he stays healthy during a playoff push, either.

Thoughts?
Voracek is top 10 in NHL scoring and I don't think he's even any older than Kane? I'd probably do it from a value standpoint, but it would be a move better suited for the off-season IMO. Philly would be looking to give up picks, maybe some prospects instead of their already NHL calibre, improving youth

Hainsey for the 1st I'd do.

Antro I'd trade if a 2nd or 3rd was coming back but otherwise he is making our team better, I'd resign him if we can't get a pick in the top 3 rounds for him.

I was in the Semin value thread in the trade rumour forums, I'd prefer to take a swing at the fences UFA than trade away Buff just because Trouba is looking good in college.

IMO Buff + overpaid but top liner in Semin > Voracek, Gervais and the pick with a UFA defense signing.

Then there's that whole ROR thing lol

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I really liked how our lines were set up last night and how Noel rolled them, double shifted Kane, etc. I found it to be pretty effective.

I am a fan of hard nosed, rugged teams. I want teams to know when they play us it's going to be difficult, and win or lose they're likely getting bruised and banged up. No, I am not a Brian Burke - truculence and testosterone preacher, but I love tough, physical, in your face teams. We're not a great team as it stands, and I think we could get by with a line-up of the following. And, I like teams who have character, defined roles, an identity, etc.

Ladd - Little - Wheeler
Kane - Burmistrov - Antropov
Wright - Jokinen - Peluso
Volpatti - Slater - Thorburn/Tangradi/Miettinen (Volpatti can play RW to, so these LW can keep their position)

As I said above, I liked how Noel utilized the line-up last night. And I think he could do that with the above line-up and it be effective. I also really like the look of a Wright - Slater - Volpatti line. Defensively responsibly, physical, tough, etc. Noel would have some nice defined options here.

I have just not been happy with Wellwood, do not think he fits in here. I like him and he was solid last year, but to me this year he has no role here. Tangradi is an AHL'er in my opinion. Not good enough for the 3rd line to be of any sort of impact, he's just "there.."... doesn't fit the 4th line. He is a Jason Jaffray, in my opinion.

Thorburn, in my opinion can be replaced by Peluso, who is smarter with the puck, has better hands, moves around the ice very well, and is tougher. Then there is Wright who can play 13-14 minutes a night, be effective, and occupy 3rd line duties, in my opinion.

This would give Noel freedom like he had last night to move guys around, double shift a guy like Kane every now and again throughout a game, which caused the Rangers fits last night. Opposing teams don't know which guys are coming out at all times, can throw a wrench at opposing coaches.

All in all, I am personally in favor of shuffling the deck here and trying to pieces in order to push out some of the passengers we're currently holding on to.

I know Thorburn is great in the room, and going by the Q&A stuff on TSNJets he's a big joker with the guys, but I would replace Thorburn and/or Tangradi with Volpatti today if I had the chance.
Love this post. Toronto fans might have been pissed knowing there'd be tough guys with little offence playing regularly for them in the off-season. Then the on ice part came ad look at them now. If someone takes a run at one of our skill players, someone beats him up. It's old school but not a dead art just yet. Even in the new NHL.

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Voracek is top 10 in NHL scoring and I don't think he's even any older than Kane? I'd probably do it from a value standpoint, but it would be a move better suited for the off-season IMO. Philly would be looking to give up picks, maybe some prospects instead of their already NHL calibre, improving youth

Hainsey for the 1st I'd do.

Antro I'd trade if a 2nd or 3rd was coming back but otherwise he is making our team better, I'd resign him if we can't get a pick in the top 3 rounds for him.

I was in the Semin value thread in the trade rumour forums, I'd prefer to take a swing at the fences UFA than trade away Buff just because Trouba is looking good in college.

IMO Buff + overpaid but top liner in Semin > Voracek, Gervais and the pick with a UFA defense signing.

Then there's that whole ROR thing lol
Ya, I'm not sure what Philly would give up to get Buff, and whether the Jets are even interested in moving him or like the players I've mentioned.

Voracek has played well and is a young player. Need to give to get holmgren. I like the fact he fills that top 6 RW spot - and gives some cap flexibility to not re-sign Antro. Also like his friendship with Pavs. May help him.
Gervais simply fills a d spot open if Buff is moved. The 1st might be a bit much, and I'd be ok with adding a mid-rd pick.

Not sure what Hainsey's value is. Plays big mins, in all situations, but isn't physical and is a rental. His first pass out of the zone (unlike his d-partner bogo) is nightmare-ish at times. A 2nd and 3rd might be it - but, if a team is desperate, then I suggest the Jets hold out for a 1st. I'd also throw a later rd (5th) pick back, to secure the 1st THIS year.

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Ya, I'm not sure what Philly would give up to get Buff, and whether the Jets are even interested in moving him or like the players I've mentioned.

Voracek has played well and is a young player. Need to give to get holmgren. I like the fact he fills that top 6 RW spot - and gives some cap flexibility to not re-sign Antro. Also like his friendship with Pavs. May help him.
Gervais simply fills a d spot open if Buff is moved. The 1st might be a bit much, and I'd be ok with adding a mid-rd pick.

Not sure what Hainsey's value is. Plays big mins, in all situations, but isn't physical and is a rental. His first pass out of the zone (unlike his d-partner bogo) is nightmare-ish at times. A 2nd and 3rd might be it - but, if a team is desperate, then I suggest the Jets hold out for a 1st. I'd also throw a later rd (5th) pick back, to secure the 1st THIS year.
Yeah agreed on everything pretty much

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Volpatti is interesting but I just don't see us picking him up unless we jettison Thorburn. It's getting really crowded down there and I don't see them waiving Peluso after what he's done in his limited opportunities.

Tangradi I don't really put in the 4th line category. I think he's either going to be a 2nd 3rd line tweener or he's going to be waived. I also think it's too soon to give up on him.

Someone will pick up Volpatti, I'm pretty sure of that.

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Canucks have placed rugged forward Aaron Volpatti on waivers. Honestly, I hope Chevy makes yet another waiver claim here. Volpatti could be a solid player who will add solid defensive play and lots of physicality and toughness, ideally on a line with Wright and Slater as he can play either wing. Miettinen is unreliable with injuries, Wellwood has been useless, Thorburn is losing his role on the team by the game it seems, Tangradi in my honest opinion isn't a fit at the NHL level.

Wright - Slater - Volpatti could be quite the combination of very solid defensive play, physicality and toughness. Could even bump Wright up to 3rd line LW and role a 4th line of Volpatti - Slater - Peluso/Thorburn.

I know we've got some bodies at forward, but i'd try and do something to make way for Volpatti, I think he could fit in much like Wright has been. I like players like this, and Wright, for example, because they can play in your bottom 6 and have a defined role, and excel in that role, which to me helps build identity throughout the team. Volpatti right now through projected 80 games is on pace for 210 hits, which in all of last season would rank him 16th overall in the NHL out of hits by forwards.

I could see Chevy not bothering here given our numbers and depth at forward, but in my own opinion I am not sold on a few of the passengers we're carrying in the bottom 6 at this point in time and I personally would shuffle the deck there a bit given the amount of unreliability Noel has encountered this season with a few guys.

Nonetheless, he played for the Moose in 2010-2011, and Noel coached him, so he and TNSE will have some familiarity.

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Volpatti is interesting but I just don't see us picking him up unless we jettison Thorburn. It's getting really crowded down there and I don't see them waiving Peluso after what he's done in his limited opportunities.

Tangradi I don't really put in the 4th line category. I think he's either going to be a 2nd 3rd line tweener or he's going to be waived. I also think it's too soon to give up on him.

Someone will pick up Volpatti, I'm pretty sure of that.
Ya, on ice wise, I hope we do make the swap of Volpatti for Thorburn if we can. It is an upgrade in my opinion and that's what it's all about, making the roster better step by step, bit by bit.

I somewhat agree with Tangradi, but my hunch is he's nothing more than an AHL'er who can't produce or find a role in the NHL.

All in all, at the end of the day, I just want to see Chevy make these kind of upgrades as he see's fit. I see an upgrade here, one that can add defensive responsibility (which would go a long way with this team), a great amount of physicality and a nice touch of toughness. That's why I am kind of rambling on here, because I see an upgrade available for free.

I think someone claims Volpatti. I hope it is the Winnipeg Jets.

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Ya, on ice wise, I hope we do make the swap of Volpatti for Thorburn if we can. It is an upgrade in my opinion and that's what it's all about, making the roster better step by step, bit by bit.

I somewhat agree with Tangradi, but my hunch is he's nothing more than an AHL'er who can't produce or find a role in the NHL.

All in all, at the end of the day, I just want to see Chevy make these kind of upgrades as he see's fit. I see an upgrade here, one that can add defensive responsibility (which would go a long way with this team), a great amount of physicality and a nice touch of toughness. That's why I am kind of rambling on here, because I see an upgrade available for free.

I think someone claims Volpatti. I hope it is the Winnipeg Jets.
I honestly don't think Thorburn brings enough to this roster to ever get another shift. He doesn't win fights. He doesn't fight at the right time. He can't clear the puck out to save his life. He was the worst player on our team LAST YEAR and that's saying a lot.

Yes, he's loved by his teammates and is a great guy. That's just not enough to justify a roster spot and salary. If we could swap Thorbs with Volpatti I'd do it now. I just don't know if Chevy will mess with the team right now.

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Looking at my twitter feed today...the Flyers are right at the cap and need relief/St. Louis has inquired about Briere, who refused to waive his NMC.

Looks like there's no way the Flyers can trade for Buff without 5+ mil going back the other way. Voracek is their highest paid player that doesn't have a NMC so he would probably be a piece in any deal. Flyers would need to dump another million on top of that to take on Buff's contract.

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I honestly don't think Thorburn brings enough to this roster to ever get another shift. He doesn't win fights. He doesn't fight at the right time. He can't clear the puck out to save his life. He was the worst player on our team LAST YEAR and that's saying a lot.

Yes, he's loved by his teammates and is a great guy. That's just not enough to justify a roster spot and salary. If we could swap Thorbs with Volpatti I'd do it now. I just don't know if Chevy will mess with the team right now.
Agree with the likelihood of no moves right now. Given our winning streak here and going 4-1 in the last 5, I don't think we do anything to shake the chemistry at the moment.

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Agree with the likelihood of no moves right now. Given our winning streak here and going 4-1 in the last 5, I don't think we do anything to shake the chemistry at the moment.
I would definitely wave Thorbs to pick up Volpatti. No question.

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Let's assume where there is smoke, there's fire with potential Buff and Hainsey trade rumors.

Once Toby is back, would you like the following deals?

1. Buff to Philly for:
Voracek+Gervais+2013 1st rd pick

2. Hainsey to Blues for:
2013 1st rd pick (blues)

3. Antropov to ?? for pick(s).

4. Wellwood to ?? for pick(s).

That would leave:

Kane/Burmi/Voracek
Ladd/Little/Wheeler
Wright/Jokinen/Peluso
Tangradi/Slater/Thorbs
Mittens

Toby/Bogo
Clitsome/Gervais
Stuart/Postma
Meech
and... maybe Trouba

Pavs/Montoya

And... multiple 1st rd picks in 2013 (three), and more later rd picks in 2013 or 2014. If the Jets do sign Trouba, to join the team this spring, then I think I might be okay with these types of moves, though our D is pretty thin. Though, Buff has been in and out of the line-up. No guarantees he stays healthy during a playoff push, either.

Thoughts?
I really like Voracek and Gervais, but I don't like what those moves would do to the blue line. Perhaps they could make one such move, but both is asking a lot.

I really like Buff, but a big time young a player on a friendly contract like Voracek, Simmonds would be a major plus and minimize the negative.

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After reading the Canucks thread on the waiving of Volpatti, it seems pretty split in terms of who likes him and who doesn't see it as a big loss.

I watched some youtube clips of him here and though he has the heart of a lion, he does look a bit on the small side for his role.

Not sure if he's much of an upgrade or not. From what I read in that article he was playing pretty good defensive hockey and very physical, but Vancouver fans seem to say he's not very good with the puck.

Honestly, not really sure what to think about him. May be a bit of an upgrade on Thorburn, not sure how much though.

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Looking at my twitter feed today...the Flyers are right at the cap and need relief/St. Louis has inquired about Briere, who refused to waive his NMC.

Looks like there's no way the Flyers can trade for Buff without 5+ mil going back the other way. Voracek is their highest paid player that doesn't have a NMC so he would probably be a piece in any deal. Flyers would need to dump another million on top of that to take on Buff's contract.
Have to look deeper at their cap situation. They currently have 17 forwards, 11 defencemen, and 3 goalies counting against the cap. That adds up to 8 players on IR but they're only using 2.4M of LTIR allowance. Pronger alone is 5M.

Basically, I'd avoid reading too much into their cap situation without really running the numbers. Pronger is definitely permanent LTIR. Matt Walker is as well I believe. That gives them another ~4.3M of cap space right off the bat.

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I would definitely wave Thorbs to pick up Volpatti. No question.
Ditto.

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Have to look deeper at their cap situation. They currently have 17 forwards, 11 defencemen, and 3 goalies counting against the cap. That adds up to 8 players on IR but they're only using 2.4M of LTIR allowance. Pronger alone is 5M.

Basically, I'd avoid reading too much into their cap situation without really running the numbers. Pronger is definitely permanent LTIR. Matt Walker is as well I believe. That gives them another ~4.3M of cap space right off the bat.
Yeah, I forgot about Pronger.

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I really like Voracek and Gervais, but I don't like what those moves would do to the blue line. Perhaps they could make one such move, but both is asking a lot.

I really like Buff, but a big time young a player on a friendly contract like Voracek, Simmonds would be a major plus and minimize the negative.
Voracek's cap hit might be a bit high, but the hope would be he's a consistent 20+g/30+a/50+ pt player.

In Philly, once healthy, they'll have too many 'high priced' forwards - Giroux, Hartnell, Brierre, Voracek, Simmonds, Schenn, Read, Couturier - with a declining cap. The Brierre rumors make sense, but if he doesn't waive his NMC, Voracek might be the next guy on the list with $4+ mill cap hit the next 3+ yrs.

Buff has a reasonable cap hit for what he brings. Will be interesting.

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After reading the Canucks thread on the waiving of Volpatti, it seems pretty split in terms of who likes him and who doesn't see it as a big loss.

I watched some youtube clips of him here and though he has the heart of a lion, he does look a bit on the small side for his role.

Not sure if he's much of an upgrade or not. From what I read in that article he was playing pretty good defensive hockey and very physical, but Vancouver fans seem to say he's not very good with the puck.

Honestly, not really sure what to think about him. May be a bit of an upgrade on Thorburn, not sure how much though.
I dunno.
I don't think he's that bad and he has a chance to be >Thor, but (IMO) IF Peluso is indeed the upgrade on Thor that TNSE/Chevy wants than we'd want to be pretty sure he's an upgrade on Thor AND Peluso to go after the guy.
(IMO) Wright and Peluso did fine on the third line last game, but ultimately, you want those two on the 4th line with Slater doing the same defensive zone coverage thing that your article was discussing... but being able to fill third line role when injuries arise.
I think Peluso last game showed he very well could be the Thor upgrade to fit that line.

Our problem is top9 now:
*LLW line has been swell together, as always, being able to matchup against toughs and still score, although can sometimes get shutdown if they are being focused on too much (but that's why you want depth).
*Kane and Burmistrov have been showing some chemistry brewing, although there is no doubt who is the stronger player in that line. Antropov is the obvious weak link; I like the guy on a third line but I'm not big on him on the second. So, we need to find someone to fit here (everyone knows I would like to find a true 1C and put Little here but good luck short term finding that).
*Jokinen is starting to find his game and pull it together. Antropov may be slow but can bring some more cycle and defensive awareness to this line. Wellwood has been defensively sound but offensively MIA about to equal levels as Fehr last season. Tangradi hasn't shown me that he deserves that spot. Mittens is an injured wreck. So, this line also needs to find its piece.

With all that I don't see much of a reason to go after 4th line guys unless we're pretty confident that they surpass our current 4th liners.

Summary:
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Voracek's cap hit might be a bit high, but the hope would be he's a consistent 20+g/30+a/50+ pt player.

In Philly, once healthy, they'll have too many 'high priced' forwards - Giroux, Hartnell, Brierre, Voracek, Simmonds, Schenn, Read, Couturier - with a declining cap. The Brierre rumors make sense, but if he doesn't waive his NMC, Voracek might be the next guy on the list with $4+ mill cap hit the next 3+ yrs.

Buff has a reasonable cap hit for what he brings. Will be interesting.
I don't think there is anything wrong with the Voracek deal. I would gladly add him or Simmonds (I don't think the Modified NTC kicks in until next year) current deals. Then again, not my money and I spend other people's money very willy nilly.

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Agree on all points, garret.

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