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02-27-2013, 12:20 PM
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How does this Ducks team stack up against historical Ducks teams?

2012-13
13-3-1, 27pts (1 SOL) +12 GD
TBD

HC: Bruce Boudreau
15 Ryan Getzlaf
11 Saku Koivu
8 Teemu Selanne
10 Corey Perry
9 Bobby Ryan
23 Francois Beauchemin
34 Daniel Winnik
7 Andrew Cogliano
13 Nick Bonino
44 Sheldon Souray
51 Kyle Palmieri
39 Matt Beleskey
Ben Lovejoy
5 Luca Sbisa
65 Emerson Etem
32 Toni Lydman
55 Bryan Allen
Patrick Maroon
74 Peter Holland
4 Cam Fowler
40 Jordan Hendry
45 Sami Vatanen
67 Rickard Rakell
77 Devante Smith-Pelly
25 Brad Staubitz

G: Fasth/Hiller

2006-07
48-20-14 110pts (4 OTL, 10 SOL) +50 GD
Won Finals

HC: Randy Carlyle
44 Rob Niedermayer
32 Travis Moen
26 Samuel Pahlsson
10 Corey Perry
17 Dustin Penner
15 Ryan Getzlaf
19 Andy McDonald
8 Teemu Selanne
14 Chris Kunitz
21 Sean O'Donnell
27 Scott Niedermayer
33 Joe DiPenta
23 Francois Beauchemin
25 Chris Pronger
35 Jean-Sebastien Giguere
22 Todd Marchant
38 Ryan Shannon
45 Shawn Thornton
40 Kent Huskins
57 George Parros
55 Richard Jackman
47 Tim Brent
24 Brad May

G: Giguere/Bryzgalov

2002-03
40-27-9-6 95pts (6 OTL) +10 GD
Lost in Finals

HC: Mike Babcock
9 Paul Kariya
39 Petr Sykora
20 Steve Rucchin
77 Adam Oates
28 Niclas Havelid
23 Stanislav Chistov
12 Mike LeClerc
10 Jason Krog
3 Keith Carney
19 Andy McDonald
17 Matt Cullen
18 Patric Kjellberg
8 Sandis Ozolinsh
26 Samuel Pahlsson
32 Steve Thomas
24 Ruslan Salei
7 Pavel Trnka
2 Fredrik Olausson
5 Vitaly Vishnevsky
32 Marc Chouinard
22 Alexei Smirnov
21 Dan Bylsma
44 Rob Niedermayer
25 Kevin Sawyer
34 Kurt Sauer

G: Giguere/Gerber

My take
Coaching: 1st: 03 (Backcock) 2nd: 07 (Carlyle) 3rd: 13 (Boudreau)

IMO, Babcock is the best coach in the NHL and he had MacLean with him in 03, who is also an excellent coach. Impressed by Boudreau though, team played a lot better after he took over last year and that has continued into this year, needs to prove himself in the playoffs though.

Offense: 1st: 13 2nd: 07 3rd: 03

This is the best offense the Ducks have ever had. The 07 team had more star power but the depth doesn't compare, and Perry only has 5 goals in a contract year. We all know he is fully capable of reeling off 15 in 20 and I think he'll end up doing something like that at some point, only adding to their strength.

Defense: 1st: 07 2nd: 03 3rd: 13

It was a different game in 03, but even if it hadn't been, that team doesn't stack up with 07. It was more of a team game and reliance on J-S Giguere in 03, very impressive but the talent isn't even close.

Goaltending: Hard to handicap given what J-S has done in the playoffs and not knowing what Fasth/Hiller will do.

On talent alone, 1st: 03 2nd: 07 3rd: 13

I could rationalize this one in a number of different orders. We haven't seen the best of Hiller and Fasth is a rookie so of course they are going to get a bad wrap at this point. Gerber isn't on Hiller's or Bryzgalov's level. Comparing starters, obviously J-S in 2003 was the best of this group. J-S in 2007 was very good but not the same form as 2003. Fasth and Hiller, IMO anyway, do compare favorable to J-S in 2007. Fasth will have to continue playing strong over the whole season, not just hot and cold stretches. Hiller will need to keep improving and get to the top of his game. I believe at least one of the two is going to happen.

In the end, I see this team as a legit Cup contender and second only to the 07 team. If they can stay healthy, I see them facing the Blackhawks in the WCF. It would be too close to call but the physical capabilities of the Ducks should be a major concern for the Hawks. As a Hawks fan, I hope this series happens to see how they'd stack up. I believe the winner of that series, if it happens, will go on and win the championship, although the Bruins would be a nice matchup for either.

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02-27-2013, 12:22 PM
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The 2006-2007 team would embarass it.

The 2002-2003 team would basically need Giguere to win it for them.

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When did the misconception form that the 06-07 ducks were virtually unbeatable? They had nights were they won games they shouldn't have. They had nights where they weren't 100 percent. Giguere didn't play as well as he did in the postseason. If we match up that year's regular season team versus ours and have them play 50 times, the 06-07 team would probably win 30 times. The way the game is played has changed quite a bit since 2007 and I believe Boudreau's Ducks would find ways to beat them. Are they a better team? In practice? No. On paper? Hell no. But would the 07 team EMBARRASS ours? I don't think so.

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When did the misconception form that the 06-07 ducks were virtually unbeatable? They had nights were they won games they shouldn't have. They had nights where they weren't 100 percent. Giguere didn't play as well as he did in the postseason. If we match up that year's regular season team versus ours and have them play 50 times, the 06-07 team would probably win 30 times. The way the game is played has changed quite a bit since 2007 and I believe Boudreau's Ducks would find ways to beat them. Are they all better team? In practice? No. On paper? Hell no. But would the 07 team EMBARRASS ours? I don't think so.
In a 7 game series? Yeah. I think that 06-07 team would embarass ours. They would run roughshod right over them. There isn't a single area I think that 06-07 team isn't better. They owned the play 5 on 5, they were top 5 in PP and PK, and they would physically dominate them.

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When did the misconception form that the 06-07 ducks were virtually unbeatable? They had nights were they won games they shouldn't have. They had nights where they weren't 100 percent. Giguere didn't play as well as he did in the postseason. If we match up that year's regular season team versus ours and have them play 50 times, the 06-07 team would probably win 30 times. The way the game is played has changed quite a bit since 2007 and I believe Boudreau's Ducks would find ways to beat them. Are they a better team? In practice? No. On paper? Hell no. But would the 07 team EMBARRASS ours? I don't think so.
You're underrating how good the 06-07 team was. Up front the teams are close but on the blueline and in net the 06-07 team is significantly better. Two of the top three defensemen in the league (as well as Beauchemin) and one of the best playoff goalies the last 10 seasons.

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I like Bruce as a coach. Selanne isn't as good as he was back in 2006-07, but he's still great. Biggest surprise this year has been Koivu. I didn't think he could still put up points like this. Getzlaf and Perry seem to be back and that is good.

The defense isn't so good. The Ducks allow way too many goals. Hiller isn't what he used to be anymore. Hard to say how Fasth will play.

For this team to make it in the playoffs, the defense has to step it up. The Ducks will also need Bonino, Palmieri or Beleskey to brake out and start scoring important goals. I hope the Ducks make it at least to the second round so the young guys on this team will get some playoff experince.

By signing Perry And Getzlaf and improving the defense with some trades in the offseason, the Ducks might be a cup contender next year...

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The 2006-07 team was a lot better. Great two-way games and very physical. Two HHOF defensemen.

They'd probably take a lot more interference penalties with how easy they get called now.

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I might say the 2007 team had a slightly better forward group, just because they had two top 6 centres. That's been probably the biggest problem for this year's team IMO.

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I might say the 2007 team had a slightly better forward group, just because they had two top 6 centres. That's been probably the biggest problem for this year's team IMO.
Not to mention the shutdown line of Niedermayer-Pahlsson-Moen.

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Not to mention the shutdown line of Niedermayer-Pahlsson-Moen.
This is the X-factor for me.

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Anaheim is finally not taking stupid penalties that have plagued them in previous years. Anaheim is usually at or near the top in penalty minutes.

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I know it's exciting to see a fast start, but I mean, the 1997 Mighty Ducks had a 12-game unbeaten streak during their season and the 1999 Mighty Ducks had a stretch of games where they went 13-3-1, and both of those teams were barely above .500 over the long haul, so let's not count the chickens before they hatch.

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To the 06-07 team, it doesn't stack up.

To the 02-03 team, it is probably better, but Giguere > Hiller/Fasth.

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If a 10 is the 06-07 team, and a 1 is the 97-98 team, I'd say the 2013 team is a solid 7.5.

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This years team is second IMO, but 06-07 was insane 2 future HHOF D on the same team...

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First off, this isn't a main board thread and should be on the Ducks board or History of Hockey, mainly because only Ducks fans/SoCal residents are going to be able to give an educated answer since nobody watches Ducks hockey except those in SoCal: especially the 2003 team.

As for the question, the '07 team crushes all of them and it's not even close. '03 team was a garbage fluke run and not even Playoff Giguere would be able to put a dent in the '07 team.

As for this year's team, it's been such a small sample size that it's laughable to say the '07 team wouldn't crush them too. Fasth isn't proven and the '07 blueline is LIGHTYEARS ahead of the Ducks current defense. I'm not even going to talk about how much tougher the '07 team is than the current Ducks squad.

Basically, stop with the early celebrations about the current team. This thinly veiled attempt to compare the current team to maybe the best Cup winning team in the last 15 years is hilarious.

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Current team is playing above its head so its not even close.

The Niedermayer-Pronger team was the best by far.

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Ya the 2007 ducks were a real deal team. The 2003 team had a great run and was just one game short but not overall a really great team.

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First off, this isn't a main board thread and should be on the Ducks board or History of Hockey, mainly because only Ducks fans/SoCal residents are going to be able to give an educated answer since nobody watches Ducks hockey except those in SoCal: especially the 2003 team.

As for the question, the '07 team crushes all of them and it's not even close. '03 team was a garbage fluke run and not even Playoff Giguere would be able to put a dent in the '07 team.

As for this year's team, it's been such a small sample size that it's laughable to say the '07 team wouldn't crush them too. Fasth isn't proven and the '07 blueline is LIGHTYEARS ahead of the Ducks current defense. I'm not even going to talk about how much tougher the '07 team is than the current Ducks squad.

Basically, stop with the early celebrations about the current team. This thinly veiled attempt to compare the current team to maybe the best Cup winning team in the last 15 years is hilarious.
I'm pretty sure OP is not a Ducks fan. Relax.

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The 2006-2007 team would embarass it.

The 2002-2003 team would basically need Giguere to win it for them.
Yeah that just about sums it up. The 2003 team wasn't very good all-around, they just had Gigeure going god-mode. The 2007 team is one of the best teams of this era.

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First off, this isn't a main board thread and should be on the Ducks board or History of Hockey, mainly because only Ducks fans/SoCal residents are going to be able to give an educated answer since nobody watches Ducks hockey except those in SoCal: especially the 2003 team.

As for the question, the '07 team crushes all of them and it's not even close. '03 team was a garbage fluke run and not even Playoff Giguere would be able to put a dent in the '07 team.

As for this year's team, it's been such a small sample size that it's laughable to say the '07 team wouldn't crush them too. Fasth isn't proven and the '07 blueline is LIGHTYEARS ahead of the Ducks current defense. I'm not even going to talk about how much tougher the '07 team is than the current Ducks squad.

Basically, stop with the early celebrations about the current team. This thinly veiled attempt to compare the current team to maybe the best Cup winning team in the last 15 years is hilarious.
That's not what I got at all

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offensively it might be the best, but defensively, other than having stellar goaltending again, it's nowhere close to the team defensive game 2007 had. 2003... maybe a good comparison.

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offensively it might be the best, but defensively, other than having stellar goaltending again, it's nowhere close to the team defensive game 2007 had. 2003... maybe a good comparison.
2003 is not a good comparison.

Kariya=Getzlaf
Sykora<Perry
Rucchin<Selanne
Oates=Ryan (Oates wasn't really the HOF type player that he was in the past)
Chistov<Koivu
Leclerc<Winnik
Cullen>Cogliano
Krog<Bonino
McDonald>Holland
Kjellberg/<Palmieri
Pahlsson>Beleskey
We had a few more but I'll leave the core like that

Ozolinsh<Beauchemin
Carney<Souray
Havelid<Fowler
Salei>Allen
Vishnevski<Sbisa

Giguere>>Hiller
Gerber<Fasth

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I'm sorry, but I got a bit of a chuckle seeing the word "historical" used in connection with the barely twenty year-old Anaheim franchise.

I suppose it's a valid term, though, so I'll go right ahead and agree with those who feel the 06/07 Ducks would steamroll this year's edition.

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