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02-27-2013, 05:20 PM
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Multiple draft picks for a guy no one really wanted to sign after last year = terrible QB market this year

Good for San Francisco...but this has all the makings of another Matt Cassel situation in Kansas City

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02-27-2013, 05:34 PM
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Draft an O-Lineman to protect Smith, sign a decent WR, and they've all of a sudden got the look of a decent offense. They can make this work.

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02-27-2013, 05:37 PM
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Taking a QB in the first round just for the sake of it is how you end up with Ponder. Chiefs may have overpaid by a draft round, but they still got a proven starting QB in the league AND still have the first overall pick. Not many teams throughout history can say that.
Yep. He's not the long-term solution, but if you put an ok supporting cast around him, he'll be good until they find their future qb.

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Moronic move by the Chiefs. If they didn't think Geno was the real deal, just take Joeckel and suck for the year without giving up two picks for a guy similar to what you already have.
Please explain to me how Smith and Cassel are anything alike. Please show your work.

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02-27-2013, 06:18 PM
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Chiefs needed a QB but that's a lot to give up for Alex Smith. I thought it would have been a third round pick at most. But he's a good QB who will help them win some games if they give him some weapons on offense. Also, please stop comparing Smith to Cassel, you're just making yourself look bad with comments like that.

Great trade for the 49ers. They have a lot of picks now and will be able to improve the team through the draft or by making a trade. I've already seen some Revis and Harvin speculation on twitter.
No Revis or Harvin. They will keep doing what they are doing.

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02-27-2013, 06:25 PM
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Wow. San Fran made out like bandits in this one.

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02-27-2013, 06:28 PM
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Again, I think people are underestimating what Andy Reid has been able to do with quarterbacks. 49ers got a great deal, but I think Andy Reid will make this work too.

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02-27-2013, 08:21 PM
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No Revis or Harvin. They will keep doing what they are doing.
I dont think they need Harvin, and I dont know how badly they need a CB, but Revis would be a big boost to anyone's defense. They have enough picks that they can part with a relatively high pick or two. I believe they have like 12 or 13 picks in total, with two 2nds and possibly three 3rds. They can part with one of each if that's the asking price for Revis or anyone else potentially on the block. I also don't know what their cap situation is like, however.

It's a good time to be a Niners fan right now.

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02-27-2013, 08:43 PM
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Please explain to me how Smith and Cassel are anything alike. Please show your work.
Don't worry, he'll come up with some snippy remark.

I love the options that the Niners have with all these picks. Either way, they're going to make this roster a lot better, and considering how talented it already is, that makes me excited.

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02-27-2013, 09:46 PM
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Again, I think people are underestimating what Andy Reid has been able to do with quarterbacks. 49ers got a great deal, but I think Andy Reid will make this work too.
I agree that Reid has been able to have a productive passing game with average or below average quarterbacks, but why couldn't the Chiefs have tried with someone they drafted in the second or third round instead of trading that pick for someone that they know is average at best (well, I hope for their sake they realize that).

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02-27-2013, 10:18 PM
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I agree that Reid has been able to have a productive passing game with average or below average quarterbacks, but why couldn't the Chiefs have tried with someone they drafted in the second or third round instead of trading that pick for someone that they know is average at best (well, I hope for their sake they realize that).
Odds are that the QB that they draft with a 2nd or 3rd is going to be garbage, or that he'll take at least 2 or 3 seasons to develop.

They can still draft that QB now and groom him to be the next QB after Smith leaves.

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02-27-2013, 11:09 PM
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http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/2...fs-49ers-trade

I thought this article does a pretty good job of outlining why this trade is a bad idea for KC.

Honestly, the whole thing feels like when the Canucks traded Cloutier to the Kings.

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With a good O line and running game, plus a playoff worthy defense, now a reliable QB.

The chiefs are a WR weapon away from being a playoff contender.

this is WIN for KC

And a win for SF.

Good trade

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Reid is good with qbs and could be one of the very few places that Smith lands and can be successful. The offense needs to be tailored to Charles and some quick routes and make the tight end an integral part. Smith can succeed there. But don't try and make him throw far.

He has the iq to throw the ball away or take a sack. He isn't a fan of looking safeties off though.

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02-27-2013, 11:33 PM
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That's a lot to give up for Smith. Hope this doesnt turn into another Cassel situation.

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Cassel 2.0

And I understand the anger/frustration of Chief fans.. The franchise hasn't drafted a QB in nearly 30 years in round 1

Its time to take the chance
And even better, the Chiefs have only drafted one QB in the first three rounds the past 20 years. Spending a 3rd rounder on Brodie Croyle in 2006.

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People should stop comparing Smith to Cassel. Smith had more than one solid season in the league before getting traded. Plus, he wasn't a back-up for 4 years in college.

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02-28-2013, 01:52 AM
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Don't matter, i don't Alex Smith can win games by himself consistently. He started playing well after Harbaugh came in and assembled a strong team.

It'll be interesting if he becomes old Alex Smith again on a team that isn't all that great.

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02-28-2013, 02:01 AM
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Don't matter, i don't Alex Smith can win games by himself consistently. He started playing well after Harbaugh came in and assembled a strong team.

It'll be interesting if he becomes old Alex Smith again on a team that isn't all that great.
The team is a lot better than people give them credit for. Cassel's ****** play in the first half was probably the difference between 7-10 win season and a 2 win season.

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People should stop comparing Smith to Cassel. Smith had more than one solid season in the league before getting traded. Plus, he wasn't a back-up for 4 years in college.
Cassel only had one full season before getting traded...

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02-28-2013, 02:11 AM
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Also they are pretty comparable.

Matt Cassel - 58.9 completion %, 13,495 yards, 82 TD, 57 INT, 24 Fumbles, 80.4 Passer Rating

Alex Smith - 59.3 completion %, 14,280 yards, 81 TD, 63 INT, 36 Fumbles, 79.1 Passer Rating

Smith has been better the last 2 years obviously.

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Also they are pretty comparable.

Matt Cassel - 58.9 completion %, 13,495 yards, 82 TD, 57 INT, 24 Fumbles, 80.4 Passer Rating

Alex Smith - 59.3 completion %, 14,280 yards, 81 TD, 63 INT, 36 Fumbles, 79.1 Passer Rating

Smith has been better the last 2 years obviously.
Smith has obviously played way more games and has shown improvement going forward whereas Cassel has shown regression.

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One of my favorite players going to the team I possibly hate the most...

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And even better, the Chiefs have only drafted one QB in the first three rounds the past 20 years. Spending a 3rd rounder on Brodie Croyle in 2006.
Some fun little trivia. The last QB to be drafted by the Chiefs AND win a game was way back in 1987 (Todd Blackledge). Brodie Croyle never won a game when he started for the Chiefs and actually the only game where he played and the Chiefs won, he threw for 2 whole passes.

As for the niners getting Revis or Harvin, it most likely won't happen unless Baalke can get them to sign for a reasonable amount of money. Prior to the trade, the niners were above the cap by approximately 1 million dollars and have some important players that are about to become free agents soon. By trading for a big money player like Revis or Harvin, it infringes on their ability to sign one of their own players to extensions.


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Smith has obviously played way more games and has shown improvement going forward whereas Cassel has shown regression.
Cassel didn't regress until he was moved, though. Same thing could happen to Smith. (I don't think it will, but that's not a fair way to interpret their career numbers. It's also probably not fair to just throw out their career numbers and say "Look! Same guy.")

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Some fun little trivia. The last QB to be drafted by the Chiefs AND win a game was way back in 1987 (Tom Blackledge).
Todd. That is a sad little piece of trivia.

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Cassel didn't regress until he was moved, though. Same thing could happen to Smith. (I don't think it will, but that's not a fair way to interpret their career numbers. It's also probably not fair to just throw out their career numbers and say "Look! Same guy.")



Todd. That is a sad little piece of trivia.
Ah my mistake. Just fixed it.

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