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02-28-2013, 10:53 AM
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I get what your saying about Trouba's offense but it's probably better than you think. Even still, my personal belief is that it's not going to matter. It's like saying you don't want a young Adam Foote because he doesn't provide offense. [Trouba will be better than Foote on offense, I believe]

As for the second part, teams give up those kinds of draft picks literally all the time.

2007/06/22 San Jose Sharks traded Vesa Toskala and Mark Bell from the Toronto Maple Leafs for a conditional 1st round selection in 2007, a 2nd round selection in 2007 and a 4th round selection in 2009.

That 1st rounder turned out to be Logan Couture (9th overall). [Man, the leafs REALLY made some bad decisions when you think they could of had Tuuka Rask & Logan Couture by NOT making dumb ass trades]

As we all know, the Avs traded a 1st rounder that ended up 11th for Varlamov.

Perhaps the best comparable, both in a package return AND in the type of player that was dealt is the Jordan Staal trade of last year.

J. Staal returned:

-> B.Sutter,C (solid 3rd line center that had put up 40,29 and 32 point seasons | PP time reduced from 1:55m in Season 1 to 0:46s & 0:26s in following seasons with the arrival of Skinner)
-> 7th overall pick (Derrick Pouliot,D picked 2 spots before Trouba)
-> Brian Dumoulin (2nd round pick - 51st overall 2009)

Now, keep in mind that Rutherford COULD have waited the year out and got Staal for FREE this summer but made the trade anyways (bad asset management, if you ask me). Here is an interesting article by LeBrun on this I read a few days ago:http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...-pens-chirping

Little is more offensive, Sutter is better defensively and with adequate PP time, CAN put up more points but probably better suited to a 3rd line C role. The 7th overall vs 9th overall usually means a 3rd round pick to move up to (at the draft anyways) and a developed 21 year old, former 2nd round pick is a pretty good return for Staal.

Based on this and the fact that the Avs can negotiate with 29 other teams while the Penguins apparently only had 2 options, I don't get how you can think that we'd be hard pressed to get more than a 9th overall pick.

The REAL point is this though, when teams see that there is an asset available, a guy they feel they need, they need to step up and get the deal done. Just like the Avs did with Varly and just like Rutherford did with Jordan Staal. Is it possible that Filip Forsberg goes on to score 40 goals per year in the NHL? Yep. THAT'S the risk of going out there and getting the guy you feel you need on your team. Don't have the balls to make those kinds of deals?? Then you DON'T get that player and you end up a team like the leafs who WANT Centers and Goalies but are afraid of making a bad trade.

If the Avs were only to get a 9th overall pick (or a prospect like Trouba) as a return for O'Reilly, it would be a colossal failure because of the risks involved with draft picks and prospects. You don't want to come away from a deal like this with a 'maybe', you want to come away with a deal like this with a 'ok, we've got this and the chance for 'wow'!'. That's my take on it anyways.



Barff...do not want Del Zotto. Marc Staal or GTFO. (don't care if it's not realistic, that would be the guy I would want)
Even though I like Staal a lot more than MDZ I'd rather trade Radar for MDZ than for Staal who's going to end up in Carolina when his contracts runs out.

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02-28-2013, 10:56 AM
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I would not mind sending ROR to the Yotes. Gormley+ would make me a happy fan.
Gromley is good, but if Sherman ever thinks about trading Radar in a deal in which the main piece is a guy who didn't show absolutely nothing in the NHL he should be fired on the spot.

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02-28-2013, 11:02 AM
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I dont know who this guys is but its being retweeted by reputible people...
Rich Evans @Hockeyagent
Trade will be announced today involving a Points West client. Details to follow.

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I dont know who this guys is but its being retweeted by reputible people...
Rich Evans @Hockeyagent
Trade will be announced today involving a Points West client. Details to follow.
But Ryan isn't a point west client is he? (Edit: Just realized that a return for RoR might be a client of points west)

Edit: He is reliable though. He is the agent of Jamie Benn and was the first one to tweet about his contract.

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I dont know who this guys is but its being retweeted by reputible people...
Rich Evans @Hockeyagent
Trade will be announced today involving a Points West client. Details to follow.
Edit: Not O'Reilly's agency

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02-28-2013, 11:06 AM
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I dont know who this guys is but its being retweeted by reputible people...
Rich Evans @Hockeyagent
Trade will be announced today involving a Points West client. Details to follow.
Rich Evans would know. He is the CEO of Points West.

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But Ryan isn't a point west client is he?
Nope, ROR is Newport.

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But Ryan isn't a point west client is he? (Edit: Just realized that a return for RoR might be a client of points west)

Edit: He is reliable though. He is the agent of Jamie Benn and was the first one to tweet about his contract.
No, O'Reilly is a Newport agent.

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Rich Evans would know. He is the CEO of Points West.
Who does he rep? Any of them possibly connected to talks?

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Flash??? Think I remember that name when he was nego with the Avs.

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Edit: Not O'Reilly's agency
Still could be a trade for him. He only said one client.

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Flash??? Think I remember that name when he was nego with the Avs.
His page has him on it. Humm...

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Flash??? Think I remember that name when he was nego with the Avs.
I know Flash is one of his clients. I don't know of many else. Vrabata, Benn brothers, Flash, Svatos, Campoli, Zucker, Kuba, Koci are all I have so far.


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That video on the home page has a lot of player photos in it.

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Still could be a trade for him. He only said one client.
True. I'm searching for a list of Points West's clients at the moment but I can't find one.

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02-28-2013, 11:17 AM
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True. I'm searching for a list of Points West's clients at the moment but I can't find one.
I can't either, but it appears via his website under the news section, that he has a lot of former Avs clients. Flash, Svatos, Vrbata.

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02-28-2013, 11:19 AM
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Brian McGrattan was just on re-entry waivers was he not? He is in a picture on their site. It's probably him.


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Brian McGrattan was just on re-entry waivers was he not? He is in a picture on their site. It's probably him.
Straight up for ROR?

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I can't either, but it appears via his website under the news section, that he has a lot of former Avs clients. Flash, Svatos, Vrbata.
Add Koci to that list as well.

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Add Koci to that list as well.
We do need help on D!

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I got it! Flash + Kulikov for ROR


(Actually it is probably Kuba going somewhere)

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I got it! Flash + Kulikov for ROR


(Actually it is probably Kuba going somewhere)
How about Vrbata + Yandle for ROR!

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McGratten to Calgary per Bob Mc. Carry on.

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McGratten to Calgary per Bob Mc. Carry on.
Well, it was fun while it lasted.

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Damn! It appears Zanon is a Evans client.

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