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02-28-2013, 10:32 AM
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2nd rounder for Smith? Lol

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02-28-2013, 10:53 AM
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Smith has obviously played way more games and has shown improvement going forward whereas Cassel has shown regression.
And yet despite all that improvement he wasn't hightly sought out as a UFA last year with numerous teams in desperate need for QB and he lost his starting job halfway thru year

Team without him advanced to SB

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02-28-2013, 02:04 PM
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And yet despite all that improvement he wasn't hightly sought out as a UFA last year with numerous teams in desperate need for QB and he lost his starting job halfway thru year
He was sought out by teams. He was flown into Miami while SF flirted with Manning. He chose to stay in SF.

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And Smith's 6-2-1 record had nothing to do with it?

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02-28-2013, 02:15 PM
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Also they are pretty comparable.

Matt Cassel - 58.9 completion %, 13,495 yards, 82 TD, 57 INT, 24 Fumbles, 80.4 Passer Rating

Alex Smith - 59.3 completion %, 14,280 yards, 81 TD, 63 INT, 36 Fumbles, 79.1 Passer Rating

Smith has been better the last 2 years obviously.
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Smith: 62.7 comp% (630/1005) 44 td, 20 int, 92.3 avg rat, 7.33 Y/A.

Cassel: 58.5 comp% (583/996) 43 td, 28 int (skewed by 2010 season; 16 td 21 int since), 78.7 avg rat, 6.6 Y/A.

Smith has been a much better qb than Cassel over the last few years and this move is a definite upgrade for KC.

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02-28-2013, 02:21 PM
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Just shows how much in demand the QB position is in this league. Smith is a solid guy, and it helps Reid transition into KC without putting pressure on a young QB. It also allows KC to trade down from the 1st overall and gain a 2nd rounder back.

Also, Smith is better than Cassel, they aren't similar at all.

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02-28-2013, 03:11 PM
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And yet despite all that improvement he wasn't hightly sought out as a UFA last year with numerous teams in desperate need for QB and he lost his starting job halfway thru year

Team without him advanced to SB
IIRC, his only preference was to return to San Fran, but San Fran dic*ed around with him and pursued Manning for a while, but ultimately went back with Smith when it looked like Manning was in no hurry to make a decision.

And the team went to the conference finals with him the year before.

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02-28-2013, 03:12 PM
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Last 3 years:

Smith: 62.7 comp% (630/1005) 44 td, 20 int, 92.3 avg rat, 7.33 Y/A.

Cassel: 58.5 comp% (583/996) 43 td, 28 int (skewed by 2010 season; 16 td 21 int since), 78.7 avg rat, 6.6 Y/A.

Smith has been a much better qb than Cassel over the last few years and this move is a definite upgrade for KC.
IMO, I dont think Cassel is as bad as his stats indicate. He just had a really bad team around him.

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02-28-2013, 04:21 PM
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IMO, I dont think Cassel is as bad as his stats indicate. He just had a really bad team around him.
Cassel is the reason they did so terribly. Their OLine, RBs and WRs are all pretty solid. Their D is also a middling unit. Their team is better than 2-14, that is for sure.

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Smith is a huge upgrade over Cassel

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02-28-2013, 06:19 PM
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Smith is a huge upgrade over Cassel
But he still isn't worth what Kansas City gave up...shades of Oakland and Carson Palmer

The continuing meltdown over this on Chiefsplanet is hilarious and I've only looked through a few pages on the main topic so far

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But he still isn't worth what Kansas City gave up...shades of Oakland and Carson Palmer
Oakland gave up a lot of picks in other deals, which made the Palmer deal look even worse. KC only gave up their 2nd this year and still have the #1 overall. They overpaid, but not to the severity Oakland did.

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02-28-2013, 06:38 PM
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The continuing meltdown over this on Chiefsplanet is hilarious and I've only looked through a few pages on the main topic so far
One response in the thread, that seems to sum up how the whole board feels about it, is simply this:


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I agree that Reid has been able to have a productive passing game with average or below average quarterbacks, but why couldn't the Chiefs have tried with someone they drafted in the second or third round instead of trading that pick for someone that they know is average at best (well, I hope for their sake they realize that).
Who's to say they still won't draft a QB?

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02-28-2013, 07:03 PM
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Who's to say they still won't draft a QB?
Given that they invested high draft picks in acquiring Smith, the writing is on the wall that they want him long term. It's still possible they draft a QB, but it's most likely going to be in the later rounds if they do.

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02-28-2013, 07:13 PM
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Given that they invested high draft picks in acquiring Smith, the writing is on the wall that they want him long term. It's still possible they draft a QB, but it's most likely going to be in the later rounds if they do.
Redskins traded 3 1st round picks for RG3, and still drafted Kirk Cousins. If there's a guy they like enough that's there, they'll still take him. However, a betting man would say that they don't like much. Personally, I don't either.

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this is how valuable Qb's are in the nfl. Smith returns you the 34th pick while Kevin Kolb gets you a 2nd and a talented CB. It's the way of NFL.

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02-28-2013, 08:37 PM
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this is how valuable Qb's are in the nfl. Smith returns you the 34th pick while Kevin Kolb gets you a 2nd and a talented CB. It's the way of NFL.
It's more of an example of how the strong continue to rob the weak. The 9ers probably got another starter or even Revis in exchange for a backup who was not in their plans.

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Andy Reid in KC = Marty Schottenheimer 2.0, this time maybe a couple more playoff wins

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It's more of an example of how the strong continue to rob the weak. The 9ers probably got another starter or even Revis in exchange for a backup who was not in their plans.
Or maybe you just don't realize the relative values of QB's in the league.

If a team needed both a QB and CB, I think you'd be surprised how many teams would take Smith over Revis. CB's can't anchor defenses, but QB's can anchor offenses

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this actually could work really well if they were to use charles alot, problem is Reid is the coach.

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While I will not discount the possibility of Alex Smith being a good QB for the Chiefs, I think even if he is a reach at #1 Geno Smith is at least as good a bet and the chiefs would have the two extra picks and a more favorable contract situation than Alex. The opportunity cost would be Joekle, who is worth more than the picks, but even then Cousins and Foles would be better trade value. Given the Chiefs history breaking the retread cycle is important.

in other words Geno + picks> Alex + Joekle - picks

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And yet despite all that improvement he wasn't hightly sought out as a UFA last year with numerous teams in desperate need for QB and he lost his starting job halfway thru year

Team without him advanced to SB
You make it sound like they did so poorly with Smith. Smith missed out on a Super Bowl appearance because of a muffed punt. That's honestly one of the stupidest posts I've ever seen.

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Or maybe you just don't realize the relative values of QB's in the league.

If a team needed both a QB and CB, I think you'd be surprised how many teams would take Smith over Revis. CB's can't anchor defenses, but QB's can anchor offenses
Yeah, Smith can anchor an offense where he throws under 30 times a game and takes sacks instead of deep shots.

His best attribute is that he knows how not to get in the way if the team is loaded with talent. You can go with that type of quarterback in a rebuilding period, but it makes no sense to give up significant assets to get a placeholder. This is Kevin Kolb and Andrew Cassell all over again. In fact, I'd say that this is worse because at least those guys had the illusion of untapped potential. This is more like the Carson Palmer trade. Old starter who is no longer in the plans gets dealt for a highway robbery return. At least Carson Palmer used to be good once.

Harbaugh knew what he was doing. He drafted a replacement as soon as he could and jettisoned Smith the first chance that he got.

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You make it sound like they did so poorly with Smith. Smith missed out on a Super Bowl appearance because of a muffed punt. That's honestly one of the stupidest posts I've ever seen.
Smith went 1-13 on 3rd downs. If Smith completes some of those then maybe the muffed punt doesn't happen.

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