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07-18-2006, 07:16 PM
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What seperates the habs from being good to being great

Assuming the conventional lines

higgins-koivu-ryder
samsonov-ribeiro-kovalev
perezhogin-plekanec-johnson
begin-bonk-murray

I believe these 2 guys, Plekanec and Perezhogin will be the 2 guys that can seperate the habs from being a 7th place team to a top 4 team.

I know lines will change frequently in the regular season but I believe if pleks and perez get in the 40 point range along with johnson who has done it multiple times before, then it gives the habs 3 relatively dangerous scoring lines for which most teams do not have the defensive depth to shut them all down.

A fair number of teams can say that they have 2 decent scoring lines like Montreal but there are very few teams that can boast 3 scoring lines in today's parity ridden game.

I'd hate to put pressure on the young guys but I do believe that one one of the bigger determining factors of the habs potenital success or lack there of will be a direct function of the production by Perezhogin and Plekanec

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Top 2 dman, better 2nd line centre.

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Top 2 dman, better 2nd line centre.
of course, but I'm more talking about how we will do well with what we have as opposed to what we already dont have in the organization.

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I think there's only one thing that the Habs need to be great:

Time

With all the very good young kids in this club, the Habs are building a very, very good team and time will make this team great. Higgins, Plekanec, Perezhogin, Kostitsyn, Latendresse, Chipchura, Grabovski, Komisarek, Emelin, Fischer, Danis, Price (and the list goes on and on), if developed properly, will all be key components to a team that will contend for years. We are already starting to see those kids becoming solid NHL players and, with time, they will be a very solid group of players.

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A franchise player , every team with 100+points seasons last year had a franchise player. You could have a case with Nashville and Buffalo but their goalie are stars. If Huet play like he did last year it might be all we need.

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No 1 center, a power forward and another good defenceman (top 2)

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A franchise player , every team with 100+points seasons last year had a franchise player. You could have a case with Nashville and Buffalo but their goalie are stars. If Huet play like he did last year it might be all we need.
Franchise players can be goalies also you know.

Why would our 3rd line be the difference between good an anything? Higgins and Ryder are much more determining in our ranking if they stay on our first line and get PP time.
It all comes down to our best players playing great ant not just good.

If you're point was that we live and die by our kids, well that's pretty much a given and was formulate by Gainey when he said; we will play our young guys and make the playoffs. It was further demonstrate when he called back Perez from Hamilton.

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I know fanchise players can be goalies , i just dont put Vokoun or Miller in the franchise player category. The only franchise goalie in the 100points+ club are Brodeur and Kipper.

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I think there's only one thing that the Habs need to be great:

Time
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I completely agree. The key for the Habs is PATIENCE!

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I think it's still up in the air. Perezhogin and Plekanec could break out this year....or they might not. I have high hopes for Perezhogin, but it's hard to tell whether they'll both make an impact this year.

And if they do make an impact, the line up stays relatively healthy, and no controversy within the team, I'd say the Habs could have an amazing year, maybe not a cup, but they'll go far.

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I would love to see perezhogin and plekanec hit the 40 point mark....actually even if one of them can pop 20+ goals and the other 25+ assists I will be very very happy.

But for the Habs to become an elite team there are a few things that will really help.
1. Relatively healthy season for top end players
2. Consistent goaltending
and thrid an offensive game breaker.

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1 first line C so Saku can play a more Brind'amour-type role with the team

That's all, folks.

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No 1 center, a power forward and another good defenceman (top 2)


a Big center with at least a 1.00 PPG ( Sundin type of player ) , a power forward ( Latendresse ? ) and 2 d-men ; a top 2 offensive , and a top 4 stay at home d-man

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Consistency in their work ethic. If the boys showed up every game, I see no reason why they couldn't be a great team.

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Consistency in their work ethic. If the boys showed up every game, I see no reason why they couldn't be a great team.
If we manage to do that i m sure we could be in the race for the 4th spot

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Franchise players can be goalies also you know.

Why would our 3rd line be the difference between good an anything? Higgins and Ryder are much more determining in our ranking if they stay on our first line and get PP time.
It all comes down to our best players playing great ant not just good.

If you're point was that we live and die by our kids, well that's pretty much a given and was formulate by Gainey when he said; we will play our young guys and make the playoffs. It was further demonstrate when he called back Perez from Hamilton.
Because most teams dont have the luxury of having 3 scoring lines. There is a vast difference in having 3 good scoring lines rather than just 2 scoring lines.

Montreal is in a posiiton where they have two decent scoring lines and they definitely have the potential of having 3rd scoring line depending on the rate of development of pleks and perez. That's why I think the 3rd line can possibly elevate this team to a higher level.

You say our best players have to play great. That's all fine and dandy but at the same time, a dangerous 3rd line will also help open up some more room for other lines by creating matchup nightmares for the opposing teams, thus, resulting in better point productions for the top 2 lines. I know this can work both ways but whatever.

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3 Offensive Lines & A 4th that plays both the roles of a traditional 3rd line (Defensive Play) and of a 4th (Grinding)

That 4th is a major strenght. I'd love to see Murray - Begin - Johnson as our fourth and an additional kid on the third. All is needed is to send Bonk somewhere.

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1. Repeat performance from Huet (or Aebi to the rescue quickly enough to not lose too many points)

2. Healthy Koivu, Kovy, Souray, Markov

3. 60 minutes effort each game

4. Samsonov and Johnson find chemistry with linemates and buy into the Carbo system

5. Powerplay gets creative and PK gets tight

With all of these we're fighting for a top 3 spot in the conference.
Without them we're fighting for 7-8 in playoff race.
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A franchise player , every team with 100+points seasons last year had a franchise player. You could have a case with Nashville and Buffalo but their goalie are stars. If Huet play like he did last year it might be all we need.
The thing of it is, we don't need them to be a 100+ point team. We need to make the playoffs and then be a playoff performer. And the teams who did that last year are the type of teams who usually do, teams with depth and chemistry. Look at Buffalo, depth did them in in the end, and if you look at Edmonton, it was chemistry among their lines which made them so dangerous.

I know its an oversimplification...there's lots more to it than that. But IMO those are some of the biggest factors in the playoffs.

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The thing of it is, we don't need them to be a 100+ point team. We need to make the playoffs and then be a playoff performer. And the teams who did that last year are the type of teams who usually do, teams with depth and chemistry. Look at Buffalo, depth did them in in the end, and if you look at Edmonton, it was chemistry among their lines which made them so dangerous.

I know its an oversimplification...there's lots more to it than that. But IMO those are some of the biggest factors in the playoffs.
But we want to rank better than 7-8 spot, because there aren't many 8-seeders to make it far in the playoffs. You don't want your team to play against powerhouses every round, so better standings at the end of the season are preferred!

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Seriously I think it will be make or break for our defensive core this year. Sourey looks older by the minute(although he looked better by the end), he was confused all of last year by the rules changes. Bouillon wasn`t as at ease last year at he used to be where he would take the puck from one end to the next; he seemed exausted and even in his own zone he wasn`t as clear minded as he was two years prior. Rivet was average as always. Markov other than injuries, still remain the guy with talent who`s not quite good enough for stardom. I was only impressed by Komisarek next year, who showed improvement, he was mainly solid and showed maturity. Dandy is the veteran with the heart and always give a little more, even though his talent is limited.

As you see, what will make the Habs take it up one notch I think is our defensemen, not what happens necesseraly up front(unless we get a franchise player). I`m looking especially at Bouillon and Sourey returning to what they were at 3 years earlier. These guys have to do better. Markov has to show he`s a star. But more importantly i`m thinking of young Komisarek to become what specialists have seen in him. Last year he was concentrating on just be better defensively. This year he will have to show teet and hit people like the killer that he can be. Those hits have been rare last year and when he tried to do it he was caught off guards. But I will go further, I would put Komi on the first wave of defensemen during powerplays so he can learn how to be better offensively.Those things would be able to turn him this quarter-back defenseman that the Habs have been looking for for quite ome time.

If our defensemen play like they can play, the Habs will be much better.

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