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02-28-2013, 11:35 AM
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Just because Reilly isn't playing doesn't mean he is not more skilled than Gardiner. RC and Nonis both said that even though he has an NHL skillset, it would not be fair to throw Reilly onto the team with such a short training camp, especially since he had only played like 17 games in the last 2 years up to that point.

Ask any other fan base, they'd take Reilly over Gardiner 9 times out of 10.
Who said anything about skill?? If Reilly is the best NHL defenceman not playing for the Leafs, better than Gardiner apparently, he would be playing for the Leafs right now. Its really that simple.

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Just because Reilly isn't playing doesn't mean he is not more skilled than Gardiner. RC and Nonis both said that even though he has an NHL skillset, it would not be fair to throw Reilly onto the team with such a short training camp, especially since he had only played like 17 games in the last 2 years up to that point.

Ask any other fan base, they'd take Reilly over Gardiner 9 times out of 10.
Gardiner does not have Rielly's vision and IQ, infact Eakins another expert said Kostka was ahead in ice vision than Gardiner.

Rielly is a better player no doubt, if we are talking recency, it is close right now for anyone who has watched him play this year.

He has not been good. These fans that think Gardiner is better need to go out and watch some games.

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I bet Komi would waive for any team given the circumstances.
He might but his contract stipulates at the beginning of each season he must submit a list of 10 to 12 teams he is willing to allow himself to be traded to without his NTC preventing it.

Komisarek is not on an expiring contract either so things like Location and where he/his family want to live will play a factor in where he might waive to go to, even if playing is better than sitting.

Most importantly here, is that another team needs to want to trade for him, and with a $4.5 mil cap hit for a depth 3rd pairing defender is not something many teams would find stomachable ,when Leafs are living proof an AHL making <$1 mil can do the same job and better.

In fact a betting man would suggest if Komisarek were able to be placed on waivers and Leafs willing to take nothing in return his odds of being claimed based on his bloated contract are not good. Other teams would want to dump salary in trade on the Leafs or have them eat salary to dispose of his contract. All roads are pointing to a compliance buyout this summer where Leafs are forced to pay Komisarek to go away. IMO

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Who said anything about skill?? If Reilly is the best NHL defenceman not playing for the Leafs, better than Gardiner apparently, he would be playing for the Leafs right now. Its really that simple.
You simply do not get what people are saying do you?

And it would help to watch some recent Marlie games, if you had, you would know Gardiner has regressed this year.

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Gardiner does not have Rielly's vision and IQ, infact Eakins another expert said Kostka was ahead in ice vision than Gardiner.

Rielly is a better player no doubt, if we are talking recency, it is close right now for anyone who has watched him play this year.

He has not been good. These fans that think Gardiner is better need to go out and watch some games.
Really? The guy has trouble completing a one timer, I have a hard time seeing him having better on ice vision then Gards.

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Who said anything about skill?? If Reilly is the best NHL defenceman not playing for the Leafs, better than Gardiner apparently, he would be playing for the Leafs right now. Its really that simple.
, so much for reading articles...You do realize it was a shortened training camp, it was a strike year, all things pointed out in the article, Leafs let him finish out his year with Moose Jaw, he is highly thought of by our Management team. 1st overall remember that?

One more time, the coach and GM strongly suggested he will be in a Leafs uniform by the end of the Moose Jaw year, what is so hard for you not to understand here?

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You simply do not get what people are saying do you?

And it would help to watch some recent Marlie games, if you had, you would know Gardiner has regressed this year.
You keep avoiding the question. If Reilly is a better NHL D than Gardiner, why isnt he on the team? Apparently MLSE agree's with you, although you have nothing to support this, again why is Reilly not on the Leafs if he is such a good NHL defenceman?

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Who said anything about skill?? If Reilly is the best NHL defenceman not playing for the Leafs, better than Gardiner apparently, he would be playing for the Leafs right now. Its really that simple.
Compare the bolded parts and please let me know if that makes any sense.

To say he is the best NHL defenceman not playing on the leafs would put him #7 on our depth charts. Obviously, leaving him in the press box would stunt his development so he's not going to be our number 7 night in night out. Considering other factors, such as his injury history and young age, it only makes sense to keep him in the minors especially during a shortened season.

Your logic is completely flawed... I understand you're trying to make a point, but it's not working.

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Really? The guy has trouble completing a one timer, I have a hard time seeing him having better on ice vision then Gards.
This is what Eakins said:
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“He’s a guy that is at least ready for a look.”
Eakins is a guy who would know our players one thinks?

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/...-if-hes-ready/

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You keep avoiding the question. If Reilly is a better NHL D than Gardiner, why isnt he on the team? Apparently MLSE agree's with you, although you have nothing to support this, again why is Reilly not on the Leafs if he is such a good NHL defenceman?
It's in reply 231 if you would care to read articles or reponses, you wouldn't need to ask over and over again....

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It's in reply 231 if you would care to read articles or reponses, you wouldn't need to ask over and over again....
Thats odd. Gardiner was still recovering from a concusion during camp, but he still made the team? If Reilly is a much better NHL D than Gardiner, he would have easily taken Jake's spot, Reilly wasnt recovering from a concusion, and Jake had a shortend camp. Reilly didnt have nearly the same challenges to overcome over Gardiner, yet If Reilly is a much better D he would have clearly taken Gardiners spot. Wonder why that didnt happen?

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02-28-2013, 12:03 PM
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Rielly's last WHL game will be 2 weeks from Saturday. It will be interesting to see how he does with the Marlies.

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Compare the bolded parts and please let me know if that makes any sense.

To say he is the best NHL defenceman not playing on the leafs would put him #7 on our depth charts. Obviously, leaving him in the press box would stunt his development so he's not going to be our number 7 night in night out. Considering other factors, such as his injury history and young age, it only makes sense to keep him in the minors especially during a shortened season.

Your logic is completely flawed... I understand you're trying to make a point, but it's not working.

Nonis and Carlyle and MLSE all want to win games and make the playoffs, that is very obvious. Carlyle has shown he will sit anyone in favour of another player if that other player is playing better, regardless of contract and age. Randy has shown us he has done this serveral times and is not affraid to do so. What doesnt make any sense, is that if Reilly is better than Gardiner, according to one person, Reilly would be playing for the Leafs today. Its really as simple as that.

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What doesnt make any sense, is that if Reilly is better than Gardiner, according to one person, Reilly would be playing for the Leafs today. Its really as simple as that.
nothin wrong with a lil development with Eakins

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Nonis and Carlyle and MLSE all want to win games and make the playoffs, that is very obvious. Carlyle has shown he will sit anyone in favour of another player if that other player is playing better, regardless of contract and age. Randy has shown us he has done this serveral times and is not affraid to do so. What doesnt make any sense, is that if Reilly is better than Gardiner, according to one person, Reilly would be playing for the Leafs today. Its really as simple as that.
I know it wasn't Nonis and Carlyle in charge last season, but Kadri was likely better than Connolly and Lombardi last year but they felt more AHL time was better for Kadri's development and as a result, they played a weaker line-up in the NHL.

Rielly might be better than say Kostka or Holzer today but going back to the WHL was deemed the best course of action for Rielly's development so they sent him back, even if it resulted in a weaker NHL roster.

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Nonis and Carlyle and MLSE all want to win games and make the playoffs, that is very obvious. Carlyle has shown he will sit anyone in favour of another player if that other player is playing better, regardless of contract and age. Randy has shown us he has done this serveral times and is not affraid to do so. What doesnt make any sense, is that if Reilly is better than Gardiner, according to one person, Reilly would be playing for the Leafs today. Its really as simple as that.
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“I think there’s a risk with any 18-year-old young player. I think the risk is magnified here with a short camp,” said Carlyle. “Normally, you’d have a three-week period to assess a young kid and you’d play some exhibition games and you’d see the rigours of training camp.

“I can remember playing Cam Fowler in every exhibition game. Most players, if a young player had a chance to make your hockey club, you’d give him every opportunity to prove to you that you could. And right now, we’re not afforded that with four days left to practice.

“You only have a short period of time. That magnifies the assessment.”
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“We don’t want to put a player in a situation where he could possibly regress. That was our message to [Rielly]: That he did nothing wrong. He has NHL quality skills. Does he need to work on some things? Sure he does."
He could have come in and played like Bobby Orr and he still would have been sent down. Our management is not as simple minded as you are, they understand that there is a bigger picture and various other factors that contribute to who plays and who doesn't.

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He could have come in and played like Bobby Orr and he still would have been sent down. Our management is not as simple minded as you are, they understand that there is a bigger picture and various other factors that contribute to who plays and who doesn't.
Again that is odd. Apparently he is NHL ready, and better than Gardiner, and apparetnly Nonis and others agree. Yet, they are quoted as saying Reilly needs to work on some things.

Here are the facts, Reilly hasnt proven yet he can be an NHL defenceman, and to suggest Reilly is a better NHL defenceman than Gardiner is a joke. Reilly will likely be a pretty good NHLer, but he isnt good enough or ready to be an NHLer today. Thats another fact as well

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Again that is odd. Apparently he is NHL ready, and better than Gardiner, and apparetnly Nonis and others agree. Yet, they are quoted as saying Reilly needs to work on some things.

Here are the facts, Reilly hasnt proven yet he can be an NHL defenceman, and to suggest Reilly is a better NHL defenceman than Gardiner is a joke. Reilly will likely be a pretty good NHLer, but he isnt good enough or ready to be an NHLer today. Thats another fact as well
Do you think Gardiner is a better NHL defenseman than Kostka and Holzer?

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Again that is odd. Apparently he is NHL ready, and better than Gardiner, and apparetnly Nonis and others agree. Yet, they are quoted as saying Reilly needs to work on some things.

Here are the facts, Reilly hasnt proven yet he can be an NHL defenceman, and to suggest Reilly is a better NHL defenceman than Gardiner is a joke. Reilly will likely be a pretty good NHLer, but he isnt good enough or ready to be an NHLer today. Thats another fact as well
there is not point in debating with you

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Kostka stinks, he can't even make an outlet pass(nice "vision"), overthinks the simpliest of plays and he was just a mess on the boards AGAIN last night. I did like his PP work though, he almost made a simple cross ice pass, but alas it was behind the other D. Enough of this guy, we get he did well at beginning of year when real NHL players were just finding form, but a guy like Liles sitting, a Gardiner in the AHL, while this guy plays, give me a freaking break. Carlyle officially has tunnel vision if this guy sticks in the lineup, I watched intently again last night and I can't find anything positive to say. Oh, he's slow too

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Again that is odd. Apparently he is NHL ready, and better than Gardiner, and apparetnly Nonis and others agree. Yet, they are quoted as saying Reilly needs to work on some things.

Here are the facts, Reilly hasnt proven yet he can be an NHL defenceman, and to suggest Reilly is a better NHL defenceman than Gardiner is a joke. Reilly will likely be a pretty good NHLer, but he isnt good enough or ready to be an NHLer today. Thats another fact as well
Actually, that is not a fact. Dust off the old dictionary.

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Rielly's last WHL game will be 2 weeks from Saturday. It will be interesting to see how he does with the Marlies.
Perhaps this is when we see Gardiner get called back up.Makes sense sort of. Rielly comes up to the Marlies and gets the big minutes that Gardiner was getting; Gardiner replaces Kostka or Liles as one of those two are traded/sent back down

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Actually, that is not a fact. Dust off the old dictionary.
If Reilly was an NHL ready defenceman and better than Gardiner, there is no reason he wouldnt be on the team today.

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If Reilly was an NHL ready defenceman and better than Gardiner, there is no reason he wouldnt be on the team today.
If Gardiner was an NHL ready defenceman and better than Kostka, there is no reason he wouldnt be on the team today?

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If Gardiner was an NHL ready defenceman and better than Kostka, there is no reason he wouldnt be on the team today?
Other than roster and asset management decisions of course where other players are not a part of the equation.

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