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02-28-2013, 02:46 PM
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No.

No, no, no.

Ovechkin, at the moment, would not fit our playstyle. Buying into our system would be nothing short of a complete reform of the man.
I think people are far too hard on Ovechkin.

All he needs is a coach to keep him on the left wing, give him plenty of minutes and stop trying to turn him into a defensive player. Martin and Cunnyworth tried the same crap with Cammalleri. Let the offensive players be offensive players. You put Plekanec on his line and the team will never have a negative +/- due to strong puck possession and good forechecking. Add a Gallagher who can snipe on the right and you're golden.

Therrien has handled the two best players in the game. Crosby still speaks glowingly of Therrien. Getting Ovechkin to buy into the system is easy as letting him be as great as he can be.

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absloutly. hes still one of the best players in the league even when hes struggling and with the right managment coaching will return to his star status id give pretty much anything except price pk max and galchenyuk

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No.

No, no, no.

Ovechkin, at the moment, would not fit our playstyle. Buying into our system would be nothing short of a complete reform of the man.
Well, either Therrien somehow does reform the guy or he's sticks with his current habits and is refuses to change. If the latter is what ultimately pans out, then there will be lots of headbutting between coach and player because OV will loaf and not play within the system.

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No.

No, no, no.

Ovechkin, at the moment, would not fit our playstyle. Buying into our system would be nothing short of a complete reform of the man.
someone with that amount of talent would fit any playstyle. You guys are hilarious. WSH lack of success is because of their garbage teams they keep icing every season. no depth, lack of talent (all concentrated in a few players). Since WSH drafted Ovi, all you need to do is neutralize ovi's line, and Good Game Caps. We witnessed it first had in the PO's. All the slack that team is getting is redirected towards ovi "not producing", "playing alone".

Any coach who can't integrate Ovi into their game plan, is terrible coach.

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Again - what happened to that one catch-all thread for all the eklund BS? This should be merged into that.

An no - **** ovechkin. We're excising cancers - and he's a huge one. Not worth it....

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thats part of my concern too, 3 different coaches tried to reform Ovechkin since that ugly defeat against the habs (or halak alone) in the playoffs, and none of them was able to, actually they all made it worst and worst... I'd love to believe he could change but I just can't
3 different coaches, but on the same team, with the same teammates. Maybe joining a team already giving their 110% might help him reform.

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I think people are far too hard on Ovechkin.

All he needs is a coach to keep him on the left wing, give him plenty of minutes and stop trying to turn him into a defensive player. Martin and Cunnyworth tried the same crap with Cammalleri. Let the offensive players be offensive players. You put Plekanec on his line and the team will never have a negative +/- due to strong puck possession and good forechecking. Add a Gallagher who can snipe on the right and you're golden.

Therrien has handled the two best players in the game. Crosby still speaks glowingly of Therrien. Getting Ovechkin to buy into the system is easy as letting him be as great as he can be.
I can somewhat agree with you. But Therrien's system is great in that we don't have specialist lines. Some might get sheltered minutes, by everybody has to chip in and do the same aggressive forecheck, disciplined defensive plays. Do you think Ovechkin could be convinced in doing that?

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Well, either Therrien somehow does reform the guy or he's sticks with his current habits and is refuses to change. If the latter is what ultimately pans out, then there will be lots of headbutting between coach and player because OV will loaf and not play within the system.
There ya go. Which is why I'd trust Therrien's judgement over the issue first and foremost. He's the one having to deal with him, if he believes he can turn him around for the better of the team; then I'd pull the trigger.

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02-28-2013, 02:54 PM
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someone with that amount of talent would fit any playstyle. You guys are hilarious. WSH lack of success is because of their garbage teams they keep icing every season. no depth, lack of talent (all concentrated in a few players). Since WSH drafted Ovi, all you need to do is neutralize ovi's line, and Good Game Caps. We witnessed it first had in the PO's. All the slack that team is getting is redirected towards ovi "not producing", "playing alone".

Any coach who can't integrate Ovi into their game plan, is terrible coach.
I disagree with your assessment of player character, and it's relevance to a team's system. I don't believe we have much to discuss if we don't even see eye to eye on that fundamental level.

For the record; there are many skilled players I doubt would be a good fit for our team at the moment.

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He's very good friends with Markov. If he's coming into Montreal, he'll likely follow Markov's lead.

I think with the team's current attack style, Ovechkin would fit perfectly.
I don t think Ovechkin needs to follow anybody's lead on the Montreal Canadiens. stats : gp:572 g:347 a:347 pts:694 that's lead.

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Would it work? Maybe
Would I want OV? As much as I like him, no.

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thats part of my concern too, 3 different coaches tried to reform Ovechkin since that ugly defeat against the habs (or halak alone) in the playoffs, and none of them was able to, actually they all made it worst and worst... I'd love to believe he could change but I just can't
Can you go into this reforming ovi into details? all i see is WSH icing poor team year in year out, with infective structure. Where at beginning, the "game plan" was pass the pass to the ruskies. Then everyone with recording device got wind of it, and they became infective, especially come PO time. So WSH actually changes their system, so it doesn't revolve around predictability of 2 snipers, and realize they have no depth. That's how i see it.

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No no no let him go fail in New York.

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I don t think Ovechkin needs to follow anybody's lead on the Montreal Canadiens. stats : gp:572 g:347 a:347 pts:694 that's lead.

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I meant in terms of learning the attitude of the locker room.

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I disagree with your assessment of player character, and it's relevance to a team's system. I don't believe we have much to discuss if we don't even see eye to eye on that fundamental level.

For the record; there are many skilled players I doubt would be a good fit for our team at the moment.
Not debating really what importance character has, im debating that there is more bias and more or less ignorance of other cultures/countries and their members behaviors by north Americans, and are quick to generalize/stereotype certain groups of people. Unless you can point me to someone close to ovi and wsh, with personal experience, who talks about Ovi's lack of character, lack of team spirit, and selfishness.

And side note, Ovi is not part of "many skilled players", he's part of small group of extremely skilled players. And any coach, team, management who doesn't have the skills to integrate such talent into a team, is god damn clueless, no matter if his "character issues" are fictional or not.

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Well, either Therrien somehow does reform the guy or he's sticks with his current habits and is refuses to change. If the latter is what ultimately pans out, then there will be lots of headbutting between coach and player because OV will loaf and not play within the system.
last time i checked he had 15pts 1 less then are best scorer? loaf not sure where some of you come up with this stuff???

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last time i checked he had 15pts 1 less then are best scorer? loaf not sure where some of you come up with this stuff???
He shouldn't be having points less than any of our scorers. Not with his talent.

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last time i checked he had 15pts 1 less then are best scorer? loaf not sure where some of you come up with this stuff???
Well if a non north-american doesnt score 50goals and 1 PPG ++ year in year out, he's just one of "many skilled players" with character issues.

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Will they take Kaberle for him?

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Not debating really what importance character has, im debating that there is more bias and more or less ignorance of other cultures/countries and their members behaviors by north Americans, and are quick to generalize/stereotype certain groups of people. Unless you can point me to someone close to ovi and wsh, with personal experience, who talks about Ovi's lack of character, lack of team spirit, and selfishness.
I don't care what country Ovechkin comes from. If anything, I'd love to have Semin on the team, and I do believe Semin has been badly typecasted as the stupid "lazy Russian" stereotype.

It's just that I've seen Ovechkin when he was both successful and when he was struggling; and oh my god, he's not pretty when he is struggling. He has a hard time paying attention to a disciplined game plan. Plus, he gets rather predictable when he is frustrated; shoots the pucks blindly way too much, lacks mobility; waaaay too easy to mark.

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He shouldn't be having points less than any of our scorers. Not with his talent.
It's incredible how far he's fallen so fast...

I just can't understand what's wrong with him. Guy was so amazing three years ago and now he struggles to hit 30 goals? I've never seen a player with his talent drop so fast. I just doesn't make any sense.

Also, Oates should stop playing him on the RW. What's up with that?

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Will they take Kaberle for him?
you shouldn't be in this thread, you know what you have to give up to get a player ala Ovi. Your worse nightmare ; ) MTL's own kessel trade (even though ovi has much more to give in all aspects of the game)

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I meant in terms of learning the attitude of the locker room.
fair enough mate! but I'll be honest with you games and championships are won on the ice. You can have the best locker room attitude and friendship between players... if you don t have talent you will lose.

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What are you paying for him. Are you giving up the assets for a 50-60 goal scorer or for a 30 something goal scorer. We all know his potential, but he hasn't come close to that in a few years and may never again.

Personally, I view AO belonging on teams that are not traditionally hockey markets. We don't need to sell hockey here, so we don't need a "me first" type of player whose teams basically suck, but have some nice stats. We need guys who are reknown for their team play.

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