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02-28-2013, 03:27 PM
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Honestly

At this point in time

I'll pass

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02-28-2013, 03:37 PM
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I don't see why Washington would trade him, start by benching him to see the reaction then go from there. I hate that in the NHL right now players ask for trades and teams want to trade as soon as things go bad

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02-28-2013, 03:38 PM
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I don't see why Washington would trade him, start by benching him to see the reaction then go from there. I hate that in the NHL right now players ask for trades and teams want to trade as soon as things go bad
He isn't getting traded unless he requests it.

But honestly, I'd rather talk about the possibility of Ovechkin coming here than O'Reilly.

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02-28-2013, 03:47 PM
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Kovalchuk has adapted to the Devils/Deboer system. I think Ovechkin would be a lethal weapon in the Canadiens attack and I think he'd come in ripe for an attitude change. The Caps would need to retain at least $2m cap hit on his contract before I would pull the trigger.

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02-28-2013, 03:59 PM
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Bringin Ovi on to the squad would be a complete reversal of the "Team First" philosophy that has been instilled on the guys since the beginning of the season.

I'm one of the minority here in that I actually like Ovi and hope he does well....just not on the Montreal Canadiens.
I agree with everything here. As well, having him playing the way we know he can is just good for the league. I just don't think he fits here.

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02-28-2013, 04:04 PM
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The trade itself wouldn't work. Washington would be asking for too much in return and Ovie's production just wouldn't justify the trade off.

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02-28-2013, 04:04 PM
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The caps would retain 3M$ from his salary, i'd centemplate it.

But no coaches have been able to wake the bear from his slumber, Millbury is an idiot but the play where he make a change on a goal was realy pee-wee level hockey.

But i doubt the caps would just give him away for cap relief, we'd have to send something substantial return.

If he has become just a 6''4 Ryder, that still worth a lot of money and assets in this league.

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02-28-2013, 04:07 PM
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Strickly hockey speaking, it could work because Ovy would arrive in a team with a system and wouldn't be the key part around which the team was built. It even could be excatly what he needs to start contributing like a star player again.

But I would pass. Too risky. Too much of a guess. Too big contract.

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02-28-2013, 04:18 PM
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Can teams retain portions of cap hits? I haven't seen that done other than through re-entry waivers.

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02-28-2013, 04:22 PM
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Yes he's under-performing, but I think he needs a change of teams and by doing that he might rebound, I'm not sure the habs would be the right candidate though.

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02-28-2013, 04:23 PM
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Can teams retain portions of cap hits? I haven't seen that done other than through re-entry waivers.
With the new CBA it's permited.

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02-28-2013, 04:32 PM
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With the new CBA it's permited.
Yea up to 50 %

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02-28-2013, 04:37 PM
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No, he's Russian and therefore "enigmatic" and lacks heart.


On a serious note, it depends at what price. He's a horribly flawed player, but also a game breaker.

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02-28-2013, 04:39 PM
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No, he's Russian and therefore "enigmatic" and lacks heart.


On a serious note, it depends at what price. He's a horribly flawed player, but also a game breaker.
The next Yashin. Those long term contracts are killers.

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02-28-2013, 04:40 PM
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Gionta 5 million
Kaberle 4.25 million

Ovechkin 9.4 million

Think about it for a sec. It's pretty bad but if we drop dead weight then it can work...

The guy's worst goal output was 32 goals and he made 85 points.
His worst point output was 65 points but he made 38 goals.

These are CLEARLY first line numbers but still not his 100 point performance numbers.

Honestly, I'd do it if they take Gionta, Desharnais/Eller, 1st and a random B level prospect and call it a day...but they won't.

If they retain say 2 mil in salary it becomes even more attractive for us.



Now, as for ovechkin in montreal. I think many will love him, praise him but when he sucks he will get it. The guy won't have anywhere to hide and will have to be more accountable. Of course, he could always sulk and fade into nothingness but I think first is more likely.

I'm not saying habs is a place where players shine but I think he can be one who does. He's amazing and would bring physicality into top 6.

A quick look under 64 mil cap and 0 salary retained would be:

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Alex Ovechkin ($9.538m)
Max Pacioretty ($4.500m) / Alex Galchenyuk ($3.225m) / Ryane Clowe ($4.000m)
Brandon Prust ($2.500m) / Lars Eller ($1.325m) / Brendan Gallagher ($0.870m)
Travis Moen ($1.850m) / Ryan White ($0.722m) / Louis Leblanc ($1.170m)
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Alexei Emelin ($2.000m)
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / P.K. Subban ($2.875m)
Raphael Diaz ($1.225m) / Jarred Tinordi ($1.083m)
Yannick Weber ($0.945m) /
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($6.500m)
Peter Budaj ($1.150m)
OTHER
Buyout: Tomas Kaberle ($0.000m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,976,170; BONUSES: $2,997,500
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $6,321,330
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This doesn't mean to say we should go all out on him but many are hoping we'll land Perry, it may not happen. In addition, I don't think the offer is even enough for them to consider but just throwing it out there to say depends the price.

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02-28-2013, 04:43 PM
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The next Yashin. Those long term contracts are killers.
Ovechkin is twice the player Yashin is, and this is coming from a long time Ovechkin critic.

Ovie is an extremely stupid player but Yashin was too slow for the modern NHL. Ovie's contract already looks awful but on a better team he could still be a PPG player.

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02-28-2013, 04:52 PM
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you shouldn't be in this thread, you know what you have to give up to get a player ala Ovi. Your worse nightmare ; ) MTL's own kessel trade (even though ovi has much more to give in all aspects of the game)
I'm here to make jokes...

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02-28-2013, 05:46 PM
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Can't believe I'm saying this, but I would rather have Semin or Kessel. I think they're more coachable than OV and could be "convinced" to play some defense in our system. And, in the case of Semin, we get a decent penalty killer too.

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02-28-2013, 05:48 PM
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Can't believe I'm saying this, but I would rather have Semin or Kessel. I think they're more coachable than OV and could be "convinced" to play some defense in our system. And, in the case of Semin, we get a decent penalty killer too.
Yeah, I'd take Semin over OV easily, especially when it comes to price.

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02-28-2013, 05:52 PM
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FWIW

being engrossed in a hockey town like Montreal would do wonders for him.
Having Markov here would probably help as well
If Washington kept some of the hit I'd consider it. How many true game-breakers become available?
It ALL depends on what's going the other way

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02-28-2013, 05:57 PM
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As with anything, depends on the cost. I'd view moving Subban, Price or Galchenyuk as poor choices. Them aside, Ovechkin would be a tremendous addition.

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02-28-2013, 06:07 PM
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Ovy would cost eller-gallagher-beaulieu and mid range pick at the very least.

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02-28-2013, 06:09 PM
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I wouldnt touch this guy with a ten foot pole.

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02-28-2013, 06:15 PM
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Ovy would cost eller-gallagher-beaulieu and mid range pick at the very least.
I'll counter with Desharnais - Bourque - Ellis

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