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02-27-2013, 11:04 PM
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How about this...stop pushing Diaz on Flyer fans. WE DON"T WANT HIM. Philly's bad PP is #8 overall and now better than Montreal. Diaz would not play above Kimmo, Schenn, Cobourn or Grossman. Then we have Mez coming back soon. WE NEED A POTENTIAL #1...nothing less.

As far as Eller goes, I think if you look at the Flyers depth, you see he is not needed either. If Couturier doesn't reach his potential...he ends up as Eller.

No deal to be made here.

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02-27-2013, 11:08 PM
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How about this...stop pushing Diaz on Flyer fans. WE DON"T WANT HIM. Philly's bad PP is #8 overall and now better than Montreal. Diaz would not play above Kimmo, Schenn, Cobourn or Grossman. Then we have Mez coming back soon. WE NEED A POTENTIAL #1...nothing less.

As far as Eller goes, I think if you look at the Flyers depth, you see he is not needed either. If Couturier doesn't reach his potential...he ends up as Eller.

No deal to be made here.
It's all good Diaz is our second scorer we can't afford to trade him for spare plugs anyway

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Absolutely pointless trade for MTL. Trading a solid 3rd liner (who is still developing) and a guy who has turned into an incredible Top-4 defenseman for less than $2M - no thank you.

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02-28-2013, 08:50 AM
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Absolutely pointless trade for MTL. Trading a solid 3rd liner (who is still developing) and a guy who has turned into an incredible Top-4 defenseman for less than $2M - no thank you.
Ok, let's be serious. I am a Habs fan and have definitely defended the value of Eller and Diaz, but to say that trading them for Simmonds would be "pointless" is abolutely 100% wrong. We desperately NEED a Simmonds type of player. If we got him he would immediately improve our top 6. The space he could make for our smaller payers, the ability to fight, to acore, to hit, to win in the corners, his willingness to stand up for his team, these are all attributes that we would love to have on one of our top 2 lines. To say otherwise is absolutely 100% wrong.

I understand that there is some animosity from Habs fans towards some Philly fans who are trying to make our players sound like "garbage" or "mediocre" players, but that should not blind us to certain realities.

Simmonds is worth more than Eller and Diaz.

Period.

The reasons can be as simple as Philly needing their winger far more than they need either Eller or Diaz. You can even argue that Philly doesn't need Eller due to him being pretty much the same thing as Couturier. You can then go so far as to argue that Diaz has never really been a #1 or #2 defenceman in the NHL. As such, there is no way Philly trades a proven power forward who has scored over 20 goals, can fight, and do all of the things we would love for him to do here, for a defenceman who MIGHT become a top pairing guy. I think if certain Philly fans would have left the argum,ent at that, simple and factual, the thread would have ended a long time ago.

So, please, let's not compound matters. Philly has no need of Eller, and Diaz is not even close to Simmonds in value. Yet. Maybe one day, but not now.

There is no trade to be made ivolving these 3 players. Let it go. Please.

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02-28-2013, 12:55 PM
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Who care if simmond worth more than eller and diaz ?

The flyers arent going to trade him.

I'll wait before I put a value on diaz and you should do the same. The guy have to play a lot more before we can evaluate him correctly. He is doing great now but we have to see if he can continue on that way.

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02-28-2013, 03:48 PM
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How about this...stop pushing Diaz on Flyer fans. WE DON"T WANT HIM. Philly's bad PP is #8 overall and now better than Montreal. Diaz would not play above Kimmo, Schenn, Cobourn or Grossman. Then we have Mez coming back soon. WE NEED A POTENTIAL #1...nothing less.

As far as Eller goes, I think if you look at the Flyers depth, you see he is not needed either. If Couturier doesn't reach his potential...he ends up as Eller.

No deal to be made here.
Diaz is a lot more than a pp specialist. With the way he plays now he would be Philly's number 2 dman.

That's how good he has looked this year. Anyway i wouldn't want to see Diaz against us in the future.

Good for the flyers they are playing better but Diaz is a lot better than Grossman and Schenn this year. Coburn always liked his game but he is not really good this year either so i wouldn't know for sure.

Anyway let's close this thread became a pissing contest between which player is the best.

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02-28-2013, 03:50 PM
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Diaz is a lot more than a pp specialist. With the way he plays now he would be Philly's number 2 dman.

That's how good he has looked this year. Anyway i wouldn't want to see Diaz against us in the future.

Good for the flyers they are playing better but Diaz is a lot better than Grossman and Schenn this year. Coburn always liked his game but he is not really good this year either so i wouldn't know for sure.

Anyway let's close this thread became a pissing contest between which player is the best.
Hold your tongue on Schenn's play this year. He's been an animal.

And whatever's wrong with Coburn will correct itself. It has in the past. Just after he put together an incredible shut-down season last year too, he started playing like crap early.

Once Coburn is fixed that makes Diaz our #4.

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Hold your tongue on Schenn's play this year. He's been an animal.
So is Diaz really a lot better in his zone than i tought he is learning from Gorges and is going to be good for us.

It's not a knock on Schenn but Diaz is more well rounder, Schenn is a lot more physical.

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02-28-2013, 03:53 PM
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It's all good Diaz is our second scorer we can't afford to trade him for spare plugs anyway
The fact that he is your second scorer says more about the scoring Montreal does rather than how good Diaz is. Diaz might not be in the top 10 guys I would want from Mtl.

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02-28-2013, 03:57 PM
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So is Diaz really a lot better in his zone than i tought he is learning from Gorges and is going to be good for us.

It's not a knock on Schenn but Diaz is more well rounder, Schenn is a lot more physical.
Schenn, now at a lower body weight, has been moving the puck better and helping out on the rush too.

I guess we just both like our own players. Still, Schenn has been awesome for us. If Coburn could get his act together and Meszaros/Gustafsson could stay healthy, we'd have an awesome 6 with no moves necessary.

It's been just one catastrophic injury after another for the Flyers this season.

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Schenn, now at a lower body weight, has been moving the puck better and helping out on the rush too.

I guess we just both like our own players. Still, Schenn has been awesome for us. If Coburn could get his act together and Meszaros/Gustafsson could stay healthy, we'd have an awesome top 6 with no moves necessary.

It's been just one catastrophic injury after another for the Flyers this season.
To be honest i didn't really like Diaz tought he was soft last year made some great passes but lacked edge in his game.

This year he came prepared and seriously his first pass is really great one of the best in the east for sure.

Schenn has been good this year for the flyers indeed looks like both team are glad with what they got in this trade.

I don't think Diaz would be dealt except for major overpayment now that he is concussed it's a hard lost for the habs.

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02-28-2013, 05:23 PM
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The fact that he is your second scorer says more about the scoring Montreal does rather than how good Diaz is. Diaz might not be in the top 10 guys I would want from Mtl.
Did you notice that we are in first position ?

Anyway you can say whatever you want about diaz it doesnt matter.

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02-28-2013, 05:25 PM
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So is Diaz really a lot better in his zone than i tought he is learning from Gorges and is going to be good for us.

It's not a knock on Schenn but Diaz is more well rounder, Schenn is a lot more physical.
Diaz is already much better than gorges.

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Did you notice that we are in first position ?
It's a 1/2 season.

Through the first half of last season even the Maple Leafs were a strong team.

The first half of 2009-10, the Flyers, Stanley Cup runners up, were a basement team.

Consistency is the only proof of success, and I'm not sold on the Canadiens.

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It's a 1/2 season.

Through the first half of last season even the Maple Leafs were a strong team.

The first half of 2009-10, the Flyers, Stanley Cup runners up, were a basement team.

Consistency is the only proof of success, and I'm not sold on the Canadiens.
We are not a 1st place team but we are a playoff team for sure. Mtl's defense is really good this year.

Only teams that are better than the habs in the east right now for sure are the Bruins and Pens and it's not by far it's a pretty even conference.

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It's a 1/2 season.

Through the first half of last season even the Maple Leafs were a strong team.

The first half of 2009-10, the Flyers, Stanley Cup runners up, were a basement team.

Consistency is the only proof of success, and I'm not sold on the Canadiens.
i guess blackhawks also because its just
half a season right.. consistency is the only proof
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02-28-2013, 06:26 PM
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It's a 1/2 season.

Through the first half of last season even the Maple Leafs were a strong team.

The first half of 2009-10, the Flyers, Stanley Cup runners up, were a basement team.

Consistency is the only proof of success, and I'm not sold on the Canadiens.
I understand that but the fact is that diaz have a lot to do about the habs succes and like I said, we have to watch more hockey from him to make a good evaluation.

Yea the habs finished in last position the last season, but it was without markov, gionta while diaz and emelin had their first step on an ice of the nhl dimension cuz they played their whole career in europe. I mean 3 years ago we was in conference final.

As a flyers fan you should know that things can change pretty fast, don't you remember the year that your team finished in last position, cuz it is not so far.

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I'm not the guy who made the proposition for simmonds, i know this is unrealizable but you can't say diaz is garbage.

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I'm not the guy who made the proposition for simmonds, i know this is unrealizable but you can't say diaz is garbage.
lolll flyers fans... don't try to talk sense
into them. all they see is their players
are the best and the rest is garbage...
they don't understand that theres more to
just individual statistics to evaluate a player.
like the team hes on and the way he plays
which stats will never show. if they think Diaz
is garbage then let them think that and wish them
luck for the rest of the season battling for 8th place loll

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Diaz is already much better than gorges.
Diaz is better defensively than Gorges! Now you are embarrassing yourself.

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We are not a 1st place team but we are a playoff team for sure. Mtl's defense is really good this year.

Only teams that are better than the habs in the east right now for sure are the Bruins and Pens and it's not by far it's a pretty even conference.
I have to say, on paper your defense is crazy mobile; the opposite of ours.

It's the new NHL, and the system that Lavi runs when given the right tools.

That is an awesome thing for Montreal, if they can keep that mobility on the backend. I don't know how well they can match up with the Eastern heavy hitters and aggressive forecheck in the playoffs though.

I can say that as a fan of a team that will be on the outside looking in, this year's playoffs are going to be wild; anything can happen. Boston is scary, but I don't see Pittsburgh being able to run away with things. They've lost a lot of the veteran toughness and physical edge in the last couple years. After Boston I see the East generally wide open.

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Diaz is better defensively than Gorges! Now you are embarrassing yourself.
the only plus that Gorges have is his physicality and he sacrifice his body to block the shots, but he cant make a pass especially in his own zone when you put some pression on him, he always shot the puck on the ramp.

Gorges is a great leader, he sacrifice his body and he play with all his heart but Diaz is a lot more intelligent on the ice both in offensive and defensive zone.

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how about Subban, Eller, Gionta and a 1st
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Schenn's, and Simmonds

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Definitely not. Both the Schenns and Simmonds are far too important to this team.

At this point, Couturier is likely more available because of Laughton coming behind him and our need for a #1 defenseman.

Honestly, that offer makes us worse now and in the future.

You want two B+ assets and a B asset for an A asset, two C assets, and a D asset.

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Ok, let's be serious. I am a Habs fan and have definitely defended the value of Eller and Diaz, but to say that trading them for Simmonds would be "pointless" is abolutely 100% wrong. We desperately NEED a Simmonds type of player. If we got him he would immediately improve our top 6. The space he could make for our smaller payers, the ability to fight, to acore, to hit, to win in the corners, his willingness to stand up for his team, these are all attributes that we would love to have on one of our top 2 lines. To say otherwise is absolutely 100% wrong.

I understand that there is some animosity from Habs fans towards some Philly fans who are trying to make our players sound like "garbage" or "mediocre" players, but that should not blind us to certain realities.

Simmonds is worth more than Eller and Diaz.

Period.

The reasons can be as simple as Philly needing their winger far more than they need either Eller or Diaz. You can even argue that Philly doesn't need Eller due to him being pretty much the same thing as Couturier. You can then go so far as to argue that Diaz has never really been a #1 or #2 defenceman in the NHL. As such, there is no way Philly trades a proven power forward who has scored over 20 goals, can fight, and do all of the things we would love for him to do here, for a defenceman who MIGHT become a top pairing guy. I think if certain Philly fans would have left the argum,ent at that, simple and factual, the thread would have ended a long time ago.

So, please, let's not compound matters. Philly has no need of Eller, and Diaz is not even close to Simmonds in value. Yet. Maybe one day, but not now.

There is no trade to be made ivolving these 3 players. Let it go. Please.
Would I like a Simmonds type player over Gionta? Hell yeah. Would I trade Eller + Diaz to get it? Not a chance in hell.

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