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02-28-2013, 09:26 PM
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Definitely not. Both the Schenns and Simmonds are far too important to this team.

At this point, Couturier is likely more available because of Laughton coming behind him and our need for a #1 defenseman.

Honestly, that offer makes us worse now and in the future.

You want two B+ assets and a B asset for an A asset, two C assets, and a D asset.
just wondering who your A B C's are and especially the D

I see it more as
An A a B- a C+ and 1st in a deep draft
for a B+ and 2 B's

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just wondering who your A B C's are and especially the D

I see it more as
An A a B- a C+ and 1st in a deep draft
for a B+ and 2 B's
Simmonds and BSchenn are B+s
LSchenn is a B

A is Subban
Cs are Eller and the 1st
D is Gionta

Opinion? Yes, but here's how I look at it...

Subban is an A obviously (A+ being like Weber).

Simmonds is a B+ with no chance of really getting higher. He is what he is. I can't stress enough how important he is to the Flyers right now.

BSchenn right now is a 21yo 2-way physical center on the verge of being just under a PPG forward. He's a B+ with potential to become an A.

LSchenn is a B. He's solid, physical, and consistent at the moment. I see his potential peak at B+.

Eller is a C with the potential to become C+ or a B- if he really improves, but I don't see his offense really speak past 50 points with strong two-way play. He's basically what we have in a guy like Laughton potentially. If you say I'm underrating him, then fine. He can be a C+, but that still doesn't change much.

Late first round pick is roughly a C level type asset. See: Laughton.

I give Gionta a D because he's a 34yo, his offense is no longer what it used to be (he's playing at a 3rd line level / C asset), and he's caught for 5.00m next year (something the Flyers can't afford for a 3rd liner).

The Flyers inherently give up 3 of the 4 best assets in a 6 asset trade. That's a no go. I would also argue that both Schenns and Simmonds are closer in value to Subban than to Eller as good as he may be.


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how about Subban, Eller, Gionta and a 1st
for
Schenn's, and Simmonds
that is a pretty fair trade id say.
but i rather get Cooter and Simmonds instead for something
like Subban, Eller, Gionta plus 2x2nd rounders.
Subban is easily worth Cooter.
Eller, Gionta and 2x2nd rounders is enough for Simmonds.
our lines would look like this

1.Bourque-Plekanec-Ryder
2.Simmonds-Desharnais-Pacioretty
3.Gallagher-Couturier-Galchenyuk
4.Moen-White-Prust

1.Markov - Emelin
2.Gorges - Diaz
3.Bouillon - Kaberle

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if Gionta isn't enough i'd put Bourque instead.

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Simmonds and BSchenn are B+s
LSchenn is a B

A is Subban
Cs are Eller and the 1st
D is Gionta

Opinion? Yes, but here's how I look at it...

Subban is an A obviously (A+ being like Weber).

Simmonds is a B+ with no chance of really getting higher. He is what he is. I can't stress enough how important he is to the Flyers right now.

BSchenn right now is a 21yo 2-way physical center on the verge of being just under a PPG forward. He's a B+ with potential to become an A.

LSchenn is a B. He's solid, physical, and consistent at the moment. I see his potential peak at B+.

Eller is a C with the potential to become C+ or a B- if he really improves, but I don't see his offense really speak past 50 points with strong two-way play. He's basically what we have in a guy like Laughton potentially. If you say I'm underrating him, then fine. He can be a C+, but that still doesn't change much.

Late first round pick is roughly a C level type asset. See: Laughton.

I give Gionta a D because he's a 34yo, his offense is no longer what it used to be (he's playing at a 3rd line level / C asset), and he's caught for 5.00m next year (something the Flyers can't afford for a 3rd liner).

The Flyers inherently give up 3 of the 4 best assets in a 6 asset trade. That's a no go. I would also argue that both Schenns and Simmonds are closer in value to Subban than to Eller as good as he may be.
you see, to me:
Subban is an A
Eller is a B- (soon B).
Gionta is a D

Luke schenn is a B
Brayden Schenn is a B
Simmonds is a B

so basically we giving Subban for a B and a B.
and were Giving Eller and Gionta for a B.

B+ isn't simmonds..
and Brayden schenn is just like Eller he hasn't proven
anything yet so if you give Eller a C, Brayden schenn
is also a C until he proves hes worth more. he had 1 season of
18 points.. and this one hes doing good but hes playing on 2 first lines
with alot more ice time and way better players..
so you can't give Eller a C just because his points don't look good to you.
you gotta take everthing in consideration. like the players, the team, the line
and the ice time he's getting...
so you gotta give me other reasons why Brayden would be a B+ and Eller a C

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