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07-18-2006, 03:27 PM
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In all seriousness...I think all the hype by Habs fans is warranted, he impressed the hell out of me when I saw him at the rookie camp last year and couldn't for the life of me understand how he dropped to the 2nd round, I personally think he's our # 1 prospect, and the type of prospect we've been looking for...forever it seems.

He's got ALL the tools to become a premier PF in this league, I even think the concerns with his skating are way exagerrated, had he played in the WHL or OHL, there's absolutely no way he would of dropped out of the top 15 IMO.

He's a playmaker, and that's what i love about his game, he's comfortable either setting up teamates or finishing off the play, the only thing lacking in him right now is maturity (and he's apparently made great strides in that area) and conditionning, and that will come with age. The Habs are paying special attention to him, I think they know they got lucky with such a talent
Right on. Latendresse has that little something extra that our other prospects don't seem to have.

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wasnt gui the best player during the preseason last season? i believe himself, bonk and marcel hossa were the best line for us...but bob decided to trade hossa for murray (good trade in the end) and send latendresse back to junior.
so for those that are saying that gui needs to 'earn' a spot to play on the team? he did just that last season, but he still didn't make the team. i hope the habs brass change their mentality, so what if he's a rookie? if he outplays a vet....he should get the job.
but quite frankly the habs have just too much young depth at the wing position. we should turn gui into a center and that will solve all of our problems!
No he wasn't. It's a myth, it never happened.
Habs brass said he never was considered to make the team.

So no he didn't "earn" anything yet and will have to "earn" his spot this year also and every year he will have to work to keep his spot because nothing is ever given to you for free in real life.
If Guillaume can't handle real ife then that's too bad for him, we'll move on to another prospect.


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If he dont make the team this year I will definetly be going through some serious withdrawal and will need a Lat fix asap.

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I can't believe the fixation that some on this board have with Latendresse. It is true he is a very good prospect and a French Canadian (which helps the team's marketability in Quebec). In all likelihood he will be a valuable contributor over his career but so many seem to think that the team should revolve around him.

Don't hurt his confidence, he has nothing left to prove in junior, he has worked hard, he is in the best shape of his life.

Sorry guys, but I think he still has a lot to prove. His junior year was okay for someone that was supposed to lead the league in scoring, he didn't earn much ice time at the world juniors and while he is a big strong guy, there are a lot of big strong guys in the NHL. His strength won't give him the same advantage in the pros that it did in junior.

Besides, there are other guys who put up great numbers in junior hockey in addition to Gui. What about their confidence, the hard work they have put in and the numbers they have put up. Do we hand every one of them a job? Of course not. The same should apply here.

As I said, Gui will more than likely become a solid NHL player but he has to earn that spot both on the ice and in the dressing room (the intangibles that we don't know about). All of the other arguments for keeping him are nothing more than cheerleading.
Fans want to see a big strong French Canadian with skills. He has that. IM not sure there are many threads at all stating he will be a superstar. You are overstating more than anything.

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My son, the Habs hater, was even impressed with some of Gui's hits: in front of our net: along the boards where he wiped out that Boston player and skated away with the puck, etc. There were just too many good plays to mention.

Gui has the potential to bring what the team has been rumoured to covet for a long time: a power forward who can score (Turner Stevenson was one of the candidates for the job).

Yes, what he has done so far is meaningless (I remember Serge Savard saying he was tempted to keep the junior aged Brent Bilodeau with the club he was so impressive in camp). He has to earn his spot, but we can still drool over his potential.

Let's hope he pans out better than Turner and Brent did!

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Who wouldn't want a talented and strong 6'2 225 lbs winger in their prospect pool? The answer is no one! If the kid has a good camp, let him stick with the club, and I don't buy the whole ''he'll only get 4th line ice-time'', that's bollocks, if he plays well, he'll get more ice time. That's what's happened to Ryder, Kostitsyn, Higgins, Plekanec, Ribs, etc... No rookie is ever given a spot in the top6 off the bat. If he's not playing top 9 minutes, that's because he isn't there yet. I trust he'll make it hard for the habs brass to overlook him this time.

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Lats is the real deal!!!!!!!!


Thats why he gets the hype. But no one knows if he will make the team this season. not even me

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I think I owe Gui some excuses, I said he had an horrible season, that was not the case, but he had a good 2nd half of season.

I said his defensive play was not ready for the NHL, and that I still believe it's true, I don't think they got to see his defensive play at the dev. camp, they just wanted to see their offensive play.

Anyway...

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07-19-2006, 07:31 AM
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I don't believe the media hype from last year that he played well enough to make the team because the fact is he didn't make the team.

Also, I would be disappointed to hear that he didn't impress in last year's rookie camp because what we are talking about is rookie camp and not the NHL. Latendresse should impress amongst his peers. But a great rookie camp does not mean he is ready for the NHL. And it is also difficult to assess in preseason games because half the players dressed are young professionals or junior age players. So, the coaching staff has to take everything into consideration, including what they see in practice and an overall assessment of a players skill level and whether it is ready to play in the NHL. Clearly the team felt Latendresse was not ready last year and personally, I trust BG and Julien's opinion over anyone on this board or in the media. I also think given the year Latendresse had last year, they were correct in their opinion.

This year, the process will start again, from scratch, for all players. Should a young player like Latendresse or Chipchura or Kostitsyn earn their way onto the team, great. I guess I wrong, there really is a fixation on Latendresse and this disappoints me.

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Must admit that Latendresse is the only prospect to go through our farm with this mixture of size and skills since J.Leclerc. There is lots of hype because we have been waiting for a long time.

Lets not put down the hype by saying he is over-hyped. Instead cross your fingers that the hype is warranted and that he will reach is full potential. And remember only him can answer to that. Wether he makes the team this year or next year or the year after, I could not care less. What I want is for him to become the player that he can become.

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... he has worked hard, he is in the best shape of his life.
Is it true that Latendresse has worked out full-time this summer with a specialist trainer ? I've heard there's someone else too (I'm not sure though)

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wasnt gui the best player during the preseason last season? i believe himself, bonk and marcel hossa were the best line for us...but bob decided to trade hossa for murray (good trade in the end) and send latendresse back to junior.
so for those that are saying that gui needs to 'earn' a spot to play on the team? he did just that last season, but he still didn't make the team. i hope the habs brass change their mentality, so what if he's a rookie? if he outplays a vet....he should get the job.
but quite frankly the habs have just too much young depth at the wing position. we should turn gui into a center and that will solve all of our problems!
he was good no where near the best player though and by your logic it would mean hossa was a great player too, scoring a few goals in preseaon dosent mean much, i love lats and can't wait to see him with the habs but the fact that the media are so high on him creates more problems than anything

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No he wasn't. It's a myth, it never happened.
Habs brass said he never was considered to make the team.
exactly, he had no chance to make the team regardless of what he did at camp and in the preseason. so even if it looked like he was playing for his life, hitting everything, backchecking and scoring...the guy didn't have a prayer at making the roster. the habs brass believed they already had enough youngsters set to make the team, and opted to go with some veterans as opposed to latendresse.

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So no he didn't "earn" anything yet and will have to "earn" his spot this year also and every year he will have to work to keep his spot because nothing is ever given to you for free in real life.
If Guillaume can't handle real ife then that's too bad for him, we'll move on to another prospect.
THe best player comment may have been an overstatement, but he was surely ONE of the best players for the habs. Considering he outplayed many of theregulars who played last season, makes me that think that he did what he can to 'earn' a spot, but just failed to make the team because of his inexperience. The brass believed that sundstrom was going to make a bigger impact than guilliame and i'm pretty sure we can all agree that they were wrong. He wouldn't have seen top line minutes in the NHL till atleast a few games in where he proves his worth, but getting 3rd/4th line minutes around 10 a game wouldn't have been so bad. Latendresse was a man playing with boys last year, and according to reports that was very much the case at the habs prospect camp a few days ago.

But this season, its going to be even more unlikely that gui makes the team even though he's 1 year old. there's no sundstrom's that are penciled into the starting day roster, for him to battle for positioning with. Kostitsyn is going to have a difficult time making the team as well for this same reason. The starting players we have on our team are all solid NHLers, and i don't want a rookie to takeover aaron downey's role.



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he was good no where near the best player though and by your logic it would mean hossa was a great player too, scoring a few goals in preseaon dosent mean much, i love lats and can't wait to see him with the habs but the fact that the media are so high on him creates more problems than anything
Hossa played really well too, i remember bonk being very disappointed when he got traded because believed that they had some good chemistry. but we got a hardworking gritty player that takes a night off in garth murray, so its all good. but lats was nothing like hossa at last years camp and preseason, their only similarity was scoring goals...but lats worked his arse off to a point that he deserved to make the team. Sometimes our organization is WAY too conservative.

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Yes it does. Though Latendresse can join Hamilton this year after his season is over with Drummondville.

I don't know what will happen with him this year but I'm all for bringing prospects along slowly. Would be great to see next years incoming class for Hamilton. Price, Latendresse, O'Byrne (or this year), Siarhei Kostitsyn, Mikus, and Carle! Plus Korpikari and Heino have to be signed next June or we lose their rights. Plus there's always hope if we can't get Emelin this year, maybe next summer.

Personally I don't expect to see Latendresse make the Habs, but we'll see. I think he's got a lot of work to do on his mobility, first step, acceleration. But we'll see how hard he works this summer and what he does at camp. Clearly I'm a big fan of Latendresse, Kostitsyn, Grabovsky, since I have been hyping them more then the rest of our prospects. I do think Latendresse has a lot of upside but I'd like to see him work on things, plus I believe in seeing players go through the minors to put their time in and get chemistry with other young future Habs. If you look at our group of young players, Higgins, Pleks, Perezhogin, Murray, Komisarek, Ryder, all have played in Hamilton at one point with Ribs and Markov also going through the farm. Higgins, Pleks, Perezhogin, Komisarek all played on the same team. Pleks, Komi, Ryder all played on the same team.
Nice post. I like the philosophy of having a class of rookies who mature and learn together as they progress through successive levels of competition. Of course, it's only practicable when you have the kind of depth that the Habs staff has managed to accumulate over the past 4 or so years of good drafting.

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Nice post. I like the philosophy of having a class of rookies who mature and learn together as they progress through successive levels of competition. Of course, it's only practicable when you have the kind of depth that the Habs staff has managed to accumulate over the past 4 or so years of good drafting.
Um just a second davedave didnt you a post ago want to trade our prospects awaym for a rental. Geeze how times change.

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Yes he has a slow start last year, but he did score 85+ points in 50 games, which is very good.
Yup and I"m sure we'd be disapointed if he'd have averaged less then a ppg. I don't know why some here would like Gui, to work on his consistency when he got that amount of points. Brassard helped him alot..but he also got plenty of assists and Brassard isn't Ilya Kovalchuk jr.

I'd definately give him a chance to play, in the big club if he impresses at camp like last year.

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same here
I think one of the reason why he didn t made the team last year is because Hossa had to go through waivers and habs didn t want to loose him
I also think that the fact that he was sent down at the last minute played a factor in his slow start last year, he had high hopes....
He would have had a crazy start last season with the 12-3 start...
That doesn t mea i think he was ready for the last year but i hope that he ll get it this year

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Latendresse is the possible Leclair the Habs lost and could have again. So I can see why there's so much Hype on this guy. Besides this is a "HOCKEY FUTURE" board. So it's only normal that some people get excited over people who have not made it yet because none of these people have made it yet....

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Frankly we overrate everybody. Just look at how people view Kostitsyn, Grabovsky in these boards(heck every Habs boards around the net). Plus there`s clearly a good batch of young players in the Habs organisation that has been rarely seen before, so everything that touches our young prospect make us jump in excitement. Heck just the thought of having Latendresse making the Habs club this year is giving me goosebumps.

And I think they should play him center.

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I think that Lats has alot of potential but isn't ready yet. I would like to see him play in the AHL before playing here. I also wish the hype would stop because I don't want him to get cocky. I think the media hyped Ribeiro up too much and he got cocky, and I don't want to see the same thing happen with Lats.

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I think that Lats has alot of potential but isn't ready yet. I would like to see him play in the AHL before playing here. I also wish the hype would stop because I don't want him to get cocky. I think the media hyped Ribeiro up too much and he got cocky, and I don't want to see the same thing happen with Lats.
Ribeiro was cocky at 10 years old.

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Latendresse is the possible Leclair the Habs lost and could have again. So I can see why there's so much Hype on this guy. Besides this is a "HOCKEY FUTURE" board. So it's only normal that some people get excited over people who have not made it yet because none of these people have made it yet....
Lats is better than Leclair at the same age. Leclair never even led his college team in scoring.

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Sometimes our organization is WAY too conservative.
It's pretty ironic: the habs have probably the most volatile and impulsive fanbase in the NHL, but we also have one of the most conservative organisation.

Just imagine if a guy like Clarke was our gm. The media would be going nuts all the time!

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Ribeiro was cocky at 10 years old.


I mean more like when Ribeiro was totally killer in the Preseason and went on to suck anus in the regular season. Media was hyping him up like crazy because he had 7 goals in the preseason or something.

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Yeah I know what you meant hehe, what I meant is I think we need to be prudent on what we say about lats as well. I dont think he got the kind of personnality Ribeiro got, he manages hype in a different way and it might actually be good for him. Where hype is a sap for Ribeiro, hype is maybe a fuel for lats.

Ribeiro got a cocky face wether he choose it or not, I dont find him that cocky or anything just that he appears to be. Dont get me wrong he was cocky in 2003 in the Theodore years, with "teh gang". But since Theo is gone I think hes back on planet earth. It showed in the playoff too, he was much more virulent.

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