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02-28-2013, 11:33 PM
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BTW, watched 5 mins of Oliver Eckman Larsson tonight and he was spectacular. Guess I caught the right time to watch because the Coyotes were down five goals for most of the game.

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BTW, watched 5 mins of Oliver Eckman Larsson tonight and he was spectacular. Guess I caught the right time to watch because the Coyotes were down five goals for most of the game.
Yep. OEL is awesome.

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Who cares?
Pittsburgh went on a complete tear without Crosby with Malkin leading the way, in the previous years. Should they keep Crosby out?
Same can apply here, it's not because we're winning with PK as our 5th Dman that it should remain as so.

PK is doing those little things just as good as in the previous years.
But you're right he is staying away from things he did last year..

When was the last time you saw him join a rush?
When's the last time you saw him dish out a crushing hit?
When's the last time you saw him get in the opposition's face?
When's the last time you saw him draw a penalty because of him getting under the skin of an opponent?

The kid looks like a sheep out there. He's such a skilled young player so he still looks great out there, but I don't recognize the PK I watched over the past two years.
Now, maybe that's PK deciding to change his ways, but after looking at the holdout from management, the very cheap deal offered, hearing what Therrien said and looking at how he's being utilized, I can't help but feel this is coming from the management group.


You can look at our record and say it's all good. That's fine. But it doesn't mean we wouldn't be even better with PK playing more. We had no problem having PK play a huge part on our PK last year that hovered around #1 and #2 all year, as well as the previous year. Give him more minutes there, maybe our PK would improve. Give him a little more ice time at ES instead of giving it to Emelin that looks confused playing on his off wing.
He's doing the little things way better than before. He's not giving the puck away in his own end nearly as much, he's not pinching at the wrong time and he's not taking himself out of the play to lay someone out. His play has been decidedly unselfish. He's turning into the total package. Come playoff time, he will be called upon to be a work horse. This season is a sprint and we have the luxury of pacing ourselves.

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BTW, watched 5 mins of Oliver Eckman Larsson tonight and he was spectacular. Guess I caught the right time to watch because the Coyotes were down five goals for most of the game.
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Yep. OEL is awesome.
Might be my favorite young player in the NHL outside of the Habs! He's like Carey Price out there, so calm and efficient, yet dominant. Glad you got a chance to watch him LG. Brodin has been really impressive as well for a 19 year old rookie.

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He's doing the little things way better than before. He's not giving the puck away in his own end nearly as much, he's not pinching at the wrong time and he's not taking himself out of the play to lay someone out. His play has been decidedly unselfish. He's turning into the total package. Come playoff time, he will be called upon to be a work horse. This season is a sprint and we have the luxury of pacing ourselves.
Well said! Agreed 100%!

For a long time Subban made up his decision making failures with a lot of energy and intensity. It worked adequately, but I believe it's the sort of behaviour that.catch up with you sooner or later.

For what I've seen, Therein wants to condition Subban in Making as little mistakes as possible. Not necessarily prevent.him from having personality; just stop him from making the plays that aren't worth it, risk/reward ratio.

If Subban plays a perfect game as a 3Rd pairing, then he will keep these good habits once he will be sent to play as the game saviour we know he is.

Plus, Subban with Cube means our 3 pairings are tough as nail. Few if any weak link.

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He's doing the little things way better than before. He's not giving the puck away in his own end nearly as much, he's not pinching at the wrong time and he's not taking himself out of the play to lay someone out. His play has been decidedly unselfish. He's turning into the total package. Come playoff time, he will be called upon to be a work horse. This season is a sprint and we have the luxury of pacing ourselves.
but don't you know, MT is wrong to turn him into such a player...



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He's doing the little things way better than before. He's not giving the puck away in his own end nearly as much, he's not pinching at the wrong time and he's not taking himself out of the play to lay someone out. His play has been decidedly unselfish. He's turning into the total package. Come playoff time, he will be called upon to be a work horse. This season is a sprint and we have the luxury of pacing ourselves.
For the most part, I agree. Though there were a couple of times against Toronto he pinched at the wrong time completely, but they didn't cost so they went pretty well unnoticed. Also against OTT he held the puck too long and tried to outmaneuver their defensive players a few times rather than passing, which cost us some key PP opportunities. Definitely improved, but still quite a bit of room to grow IMO.

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For the most part, I agree. Though there were a couple of times against Toronto he pinched at the wrong time completely, but they didn't cost so they went pretty well unnoticed. Also against OTT he held the puck too long and tried to outmaneuver their defensive players a few times rather than passing, which cost us some key PP opportunities. Definitely improved, but still quite a bit of room to grow IMO.
I don't remember seeing subban get caught pinching once against Toronto.

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For the most part, I agree. Though there were a couple of times against Toronto he pinched at the wrong time completely, but they didn't cost so they went pretty well unnoticed. Also against OTT he held the puck too long and tried to outmaneuver their defensive players a few times rather than passing, which cost us some key PP opportunities. Definitely improved, but still quite a bit of room to grow IMO.
agreed, but compared to last seasons there's a difference imo. This year he is trying other things instead of just doing the same moves over and over. Remember seeing him attempting passes half way trough one of his "end to end rushes", same for when he try his one hand on the stick thingie when next to our goal. We can also notice he passes more on the PP already instead of slapping whenever he gets the puck.

Most of his attempts were unsuccesful so far but personally I dont mind, he's clearly trying to add more tools, might take a while before he can "diversify" with more efficiency but at least he's working hard on improving his overall game.

he may become a little lest flashy over time, but if it means being more efficient with and without the puck, I think no one in their right mind would be against it.

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I don't remember seeing subban get caught pinching once against Toronto.
agreed, dont think he was great vs TO, but I dont remember him pinching much or going into end to end rushes or anything.

Just a meh game, happens to everyone.

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I don't remember seeing subban get caught pinching once against Toronto.
He pinched twice, but only came close to being caught once. Both times were questionable, but neither time bit him so I can see how they were missed.

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Still he does a lot of useless rush into the offensive zone, carrying the puck in the corners ,trying to make a play than often fails and then has to skate the **** up to get back to defense, instead of simply passing the puck to a foward after a few dekes. EXCEPT that, I think he has polished his play since last year.

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He's doing the little things way better than before. He's not giving the puck away in his own end nearly as much, he's not pinching at the wrong time and he's not taking himself out of the play to lay someone out. His play has been decidedly unselfish. He's turning into the total package. Come playoff time, he will be called upon to be a work horse. This season is a sprint and we have the luxury of pacing ourselves.
He's not pinching at all. He's not hitting at all. He's changing his style.
Not sure how he's turning into a total package by being the 5th most used Dman. He is 3 seconds short of being the least used Dman at ES, and he's the least used D on the PK.
He's being turned into a PP specialist, not a total package. Or at least he's being used as so. This might change now because Diaz is injured, but I have a feeling they'll give more ice time to Bouillon instead.

As for the turnovers, you realize Markov is turning the puck over at the exact same pace PK was last year? The difference is that they don't end up in the back of our net as often.

You guys seem to credit Therrien for this magical turnaround of PK. Not sure why really. PK has always been great defensively. This isn't new.

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He's not pinching at all. He's not hitting at all. He's changing his style.
Not sure how he's turning into a total package by being the 5th most used Dman. He is 3 seconds short of being the least used Dman at ES, and he's the least used D on the PK.
He's being turned into a PP specialist, not a total package. Or at least he's being used as so. This might change now because Diaz is injured, but I have a feeling they'll give more ice time to Bouillon instead.

As for the turnovers, you realize Markov is turning the puck over at the exact same pace PK was last year? The difference is that they don't end up in the back of our net as often.

You guys seem to credit Therrien for this magical turnaround of PK. Not sure why really. PK has always been great defensively. This isn't new.
Agree to disagree. PK is playing the role that he can successfully handle at the moment. He's making higher percentage plays than ever before and that fits in with the team philosophy. Like it or not, he's a key part of the team's success this year and for the future. Some day he will be the mentor for guys like Tinordi, Beaulieu, Dietz, Thrower, Ellis etc.

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He's not pinching at all. He's not hitting at all. He's changing his style.
Not sure how he's turning into a total package by being the 5th most used Dman. He is 3 seconds short of being the least used Dman at ES, and he's the least used D on the PK.
He's being turned into a PP specialist, not a total package. Or at least he's being used as so. This might change now because Diaz is injured, but I have a feeling they'll give more ice time to Bouillon instead.

As for the turnovers, you realize Markov is turning the puck over at the exact same pace PK was last year? The difference is that they don't end up in the back of our net as often.

You guys seem to credit Therrien for this magical turnaround of PK. Not sure why really. PK has always been great defensively. This isn't new.
4th actually.

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Not sure how he's turning into a total package by being the 5th most used Dman. He is 3 seconds short of being the least used Dman at ES, and he's the least used D on the PK.
He's being turned into a PP specialist, not a total package. Or at least he's being used as so. This might change now because Diaz is injured, but I have a feeling they'll give more ice time to Bouillon instead.

As for the turnovers, you realize Markov is turning the puck over at the exact same pace PK was last year? The difference is that they don't end up in the back of our net as often.

You guys seem to credit Therrien for this magical turnaround of PK. Not sure why really. PK has always been great defensively. This isn't new.
Subban is arguably the best D on the Habs and his being used on the third pairing is mind boggling. The Habs' brain trust's usage of Subban is sad and pathetic - it's like they're punishing him for being a contract holdout.

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Subban is arguably the best D on the Habs and his being used on the third pairing is mind boggling. The Habs' brain trust's usage of Subban is sad and pathetic - it's like they're punishing him for being a contract holdout.
you know he's playing 20 minutes per game on average right ?

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Agree to disagree. PK is playing the role that he can successfully handle at the moment. He's making higher percentage plays than ever before and that fits in with the team philosophy. Like it or not, he's a key part of the team's success this year and for the future. Some day he will be the mentor for guys like Tinordi, Beaulieu, Dietz, Thrower, Ellis etc.
Not sure how this makes sense..
He had no problem successfully handling bigger roles in the two previous years, but now he's being brought back down to a lower role because that's all he could handle?

I don't get your like it or not comment. I think PK is our best Dman all things considered. I think he should be playing more than Emelin, Diaz, Bouillon and Gorges because he is already better than them, and it's not even close.

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you know he's playing 20 minutes per game on average right ?
So are 4 other Dmen.
You know he's playing less than 15min at ES right? Which puts him 3 seconds ahead of the least one?

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you know he's playing 20 minutes per game on average right ?
You know he's been on the third pairing most of the year and getting hardly any PK time, right. Therrien's utilization of the Subban asset is not good.

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Subban is arguably the best D on the Habs and his being used on the third pairing is mind boggling. The Habs' brain trust's usage of Subban is sad and pathetic - it's like they're punishing him for being a contract holdout.
I also find their use of Subban somewhat puzzling...but look at the teams record and their performance

Maybe reduced icetime and a reduced role is better for the team? I'm starting to believe that 'pulling the reigns' on Subban is exactly what he and this team need for him to continue to evolve as a player and for the team to continue to improve

His time will come...i'm not worried about that.

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Agree to disagree. PK is playing the role that he can successfully handle at the moment. He's making higher percentage plays than ever before and that fits in with the team philosophy. Like it or not, he's a key part of the team's success this year and for the future. Some day he will be the mentor for guys like Tinordi, Beaulieu, Dietz, Thrower, Ellis etc.
Chris Boucher posts here on HFBoards occasionally. Here's what he has to say about Subban:

http://www.boucherscouting.com/2012/...y-numbers.html

Subban is an elite Dman that for some reason has been given a diminished role this season. Why?

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You know he's been on the third pairing most of the year and getting hardly any PK time, right. Therrien's utilization of the Subban asset is not good.
for what it's worth, he's playing slightly more than emelin, who's used on the 1st pair.

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So are 4 other Dmen.
You know he's playing less than 15min at ES right? Which puts him 3 seconds ahead of the least one?
so what ?

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Chris Boucher posts here on HFBoards occasionally. Here's what he has to say about Subban:

http://www.boucherscouting.com/2012/...y-numbers.html

Subban is an elite Dman that for some reason has been given a diminished role this season. Why?
welcome to last season.

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