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02-27-2013, 02:43 PM
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Poor sharpening or my skating?

Hey Guys -

So I recently got back into playing after being away for about 3 years and I just picked up some new skates and have noticed that when standing straight up and gliding/standing still my right skate feels like it is just sliding around and I have little control over it.

I am able to stop on both edges with my right foot and my left feels completely normal and before my hiatus from the game I was the on ice 3-4x a week reffing and playing for about 3 years straight.

I picked up the skates from Play It Again and one of the kids at the store while I was being rang up took them to sharpen them and I'm curious if the issue is the one skate wasn't sharpened correctly or there is just something wrong with my skating. Like I said I used to be on the ice all the time and never had this feeling before but since I've been away for awhile not sure if its me or the skate. Just as an fyi I've skated about 5 times now on the skates and still feel the issue.

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02-27-2013, 02:47 PM
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If the skate slides along the blade like \\\\\\\\ rather than in a forward line, it's the sharpening. I used to experience this with rentals in central park usually as the blade had no edge it would just slide wherever.

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Could be the sharpening, could be that the skates don't fit well, could be misalignment issues.

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Yeah thats kind of the feeling when I get if I'm just going straight when I try to apply pressure it kind of just slides out from underneath me. I'm able to stop with that foot on both edges but this sliding out when not specifically on one edge is what was throwing me off and since I was away from skating for awhile thought it might be me?

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02-27-2013, 02:56 PM
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the fit feels fine, other than some stiffness just from being new. Theyre vapor x3.0's just as an fyi.

Admittedly I've never known too much about the hollows of the blade etc...Right or wrong I've always just trusted the person sharpening them to know what theyre doing

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02-27-2013, 07:00 PM
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Given that sharpenings are cheap, why not just get them re-sharpened at a trusted place and see if there is an improvement?

On that same note, it is possible you have a warped blade - that happens even from the factory. An experienced sharpener will be able to tell and probably make some adjustments if that is the case.

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Right or wrong I've always just trusted the person sharpening them to know what theyre doing
Ask around at the local rink. The people doing the sharpening tend to know what they're doing at least somewhat, but there are guys that will just throw them on without adjusting the height of the holder (which is what keeps the edges level) and ruin it entirely. There's a reason most players, even the C league guys, will usually ask for a sharpener by name. A bad sharpening job is hell, and a really good one makes your life a lot happier.

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Honestly - there are two red flags in your post. Play it Again Sports and the Kid shapening them.....

Go to a good shop and have them redone. I too bought skates at Play it Again and "the kid" sharpening did a crappy job. Re-do them, you'll be fine.

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02-28-2013, 08:33 AM
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Yeah I was picking up a few other things and the kid just pretty much took the skates and said he'd go sharpen them and probably my own fault I didn't think too much of it at the time. Forgot that other than cheap equipment that place doesn't offer too much else, at least the ones by me who are run mainly by 17 year old kids.

I'll take them to get professionally done, thanks for all the input guys appreciate it

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You guys are too quick to judge the sharpener negatively without having any sort of proof that he did a poor job...

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You guys are too quick to judge the sharpener negatively without having any sort of proof that he did a poor job...
Based on all the variables and the fact that it's an easy and sensible thing to start with, I feel safe suggesting it. Evaluating a warped blade, loose mount, etc. would be the next step but sharpening is a logical place to start in my mind.

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You're right in that it could be a reasonable place to start troubleshooting, but there's a difference between troubleshooting and immediately placing blame without proof. I'm not saying that the sharpener did a good job, just that you should get those edges checked first before placing blame.

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02-28-2013, 02:52 PM
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I'm not overly concerned with placing blame, I have no issue taking them a shop where I know the guys are experts at what they do. The topic was more created because I wanted to see if it was an equipment issue or if I had somehow developed an issue with my skating since being away from the game.

I had guessed immediately when I felt it it was equipment related since I had never had any issue like it before and actually affects my dominant foot.

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Let us know what happens.

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Given that sharpenings are cheap, why not just get them re-sharpened at a trusted place and see if there is an improvement?

On that same note, it is possible you have a warped blade - that happens even from the factory. An experienced sharpener will be able to tell and probably make some adjustments if that is the case.
Not much a sharpener can do if the blade is warped... you essentially just try to get the middle lined up as best as possible but your toe and heel can be completely off still depending on the warp. No such thing as a C shaped sharpen

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Yeah to be honest with you, I'd prefer it was either the sharpening or somehow my skating and not a larger scale issue with the skates.

I'm taking them to a shop tomorrow that is very reputable and the guys are experts at what they do so we'll see. Hoping they just need a proper sharpening and have my problem fixed for under 10 bucks

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Yeah to be honest with you, I'd prefer it was either the sharpening or somehow my skating and not a larger scale issue with the skates.

I'm taking them to a shop tomorrow that is very reputable and the guys are experts at what they do so we'll see. Hoping they just need a proper sharpening and have my problem fixed for under 10 bucks
That probably is it... Canadian Tire is a place notorious for bad sharpens after you buy skates there because they aren't properly trained and don't do it enough there. But I agree with AIREAYE that it's not right to jump all over the "kid" before we even know what the problem is.

(Btw, the fact that he's a kid means nothing. If he was trained right and has experience there's a good chance he's better than most sharpeners you'll go to)

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That probably is it... Canadian Tire is a place notorious for bad sharpens after you buy skates there because they aren't properly trained and don't do it enough there. But I agree with AIREAYE that it's not right to jump all over the "kid" before we even know what the problem is.

(Btw, the fact that he's a kid means nothing. If he was trained right and has experience there's a good chance he's better than most sharpeners you'll go to)
Bingo.

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Not much a sharpener can do if the blade is warped... you essentially just try to get the middle lined up as best as possible but your toe and heel can be completely off still depending on the warp. No such thing as a C shaped sharpen
What I meant was that many shops have tools to try to straighten a warped blade. I have no idea how effective they are.

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Sounds like a bad sharpening to me. Best of luck and let us know the results.

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Took em to the shop this morning and the guy there who knows his stuff took one look and said it didn't even look like it had been sharpened, looked almost as if it was the right out of the box and completely dull.

Had him give them a proper sharpening and felt like a world of difference out on the ice today. Thanks for all the input guys

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Took em to the shop this morning and the guy there who knows his stuff took one look and said it didn't even look like it had been sharpened, looked almost as if it was the right out of the box and completely dull.

Had him give them a proper sharpening and felt like a world of difference out on the ice today. Thanks for all the input guys
glad it worked out. Easy fixes are the best!

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I'm having the same issue with my skate, right skate in fact.. What is the best way to check a blade to see if it's warped? The sharpening seems to be fine..

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Look at it.

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In my experience, the guys who have shops inside actual arenas do the best job. If you go to a store, you might get someone who really knows what they're doing, or someone who's hardly had any training or simply doesn't care. I've seen both.

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