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02-27-2013, 12:02 PM
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Jeff Carter "Only Scores in Blowouts"

Okay, I have noticed this has taken on a life of its own. Many posters on this board have said this to make fun of Philly fan who claimed this when we got him.

I remember last season a Philly fan told me she didn't like Carter, but I didn't understand why. Come to realize Philly fans were disappointed in Carter because he didn't seem to come through in the playoffs in a timely manner...hence the claim that his goals are generally useless.

Can a player evolve? I mean, assuming Philly fan is right, which is a big assumption. Carter is one God-damned clutch player, as far as I can tell. Goals were all timely in the playoffs, without even mentioning he got the GWG to secure the Stanley Cup. (and another in the same game)

Philly fan had to be discouraged to see him pot the game winner in OT in game 2.

And this season, wow. Where would we be without him this season. In the ****ing cellar, that's where. He has been a one-man wrecking crew, much like Richards was early last season as well.

I love the trend on this board when posters keep mentioning that Carter "only scores in blowouts." Cracks me up every time. Philly fan must be cringing about how clutch he really has been for the Kings. I don't have anything against the Flyers. I enjoy watching Simmons play for them (and fight for them).

Anyway, I hope Carter keeps it up, so we can keep on seeing those...but...but...he only scores in blowouts!

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Okay, I have noticed this has taken on a life of its own. Many posters on this board have said this to make fun of Philly fan who claimed this when we got him.

I remember last season a Philly fan told me she didn't like Carter, but I didn't understand why. Come to realize Philly fans were disappointed in Carter because he didn't seem to come through in the playoffs in a timely manner...hence the claim that his goals are generally useless.

Can a player evolve? I mean, assuming Philly fan is right, which is a big assumption. Carter is one God-damned clutch player, as far as I can tell. Goals were all timely in the playoffs, without even mentioning he got the GWG to secure the Stanley Cup. (and another in the same game)

Philly fan had to be discouraged to see him pot the game winner in OT in game 2.

And this season, wow. Where would we be without him this season. In the ****ing cellar, that's where. He has been a one-man wrecking crew, much like Richards was early last season as well.

I love the trend on this board when posters keep mentioning that Carter "only scores in blowouts." Cracks me up every time. Philly fan must be cringing about how clutch he really has been for the Kings. I don't have anything against the Flyers. I enjoy watching Simmons play for them (and fight for them).

Anyway, I hope Carter keeps it up, so we can keep on seeing those...but...but...he only scores in blowouts!

The whole concept of Carter only scoring in useless situations and not being a clutch player sort of stumped me for a long time. Recently though I have read several "reasons" for why a few Philly fans felt this way and now I understand why they feel the way that they do.

They are dead wrong and their reason(s) are completely ridiculous but I at least now understand where they are coming from. Allot of it seems to stem from Carter not scoring enough (or when they wanted him to) during certain playoff games. I have read several posts that refer to the Flyers being eliminated from the playoffs because Carter didn't score during one situation or another.

As if one players inability to score during a certain situation of a specific game could damn them to being labeled unreliable at their job or be the sole reason that a team doesn't win a game.

Ridiculous. It is also equally ridiculous to think that a guy who is a perennial 30+ goal scorer could be seen as a player who only scores complimentary goals and only rarely scores "clutch" goals.

Carter scores goals, lots of them. Some are exceptionally important and some are part of the total amount of goals that it took to win a game. He has also scored goals that in the end didn't effect the outcome of the game at all.

That is what happens when you score a ton of goals.

Carter plays very well away from the puck and is also at least an average defencive forward too.

In the end, whatever Carter does I am happy he does it for us. It looks like he has taken his game to another level for us because if any of the ranting in Philly was true I am certain that some posters around here would be byatching about it too by now.

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Philly fans man, my buddy from Philly is as insane about the eagles and he is the flyers and honestly every Philly fan I have met are insane about there team. Insane as in I think they take any frustration that they have ever had since coming out of the womb and blame it on Philly sports.

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I remember last season a Philly fan told me she didn't like Carter, but I didn't understand why. Come to realize Philly fans were disappointed in Carter because he didn't seem to come through in the playoffs in a timely manner...hence the claim that his goals are generally useless.

Can a player evolve? I mean, assuming Philly fan is right, which is a big assumption.
Yes, a player can evolve (Wasn't scott stevens much better with the devils than the blues)
I livei n Philly and have seen almost all his games (including all the Kings games) and he is a better play now that he ever was. Part of that is maturing (and the two trades added to that, he said something akin to that post Cup) and he was stung by signing a LTC with the FLyres so he could play with Richards and they could end their careers there. Even up to 2 days prior to his trade when Homer shook his hand and assured him he was not being traded.

But something he said post Cup in an interview that he alluded recently in another interview is a key to this. He said on Ice post cup that he owed a lot to Dean for taking a risk in bringing him 'here'
the followup recently was him saying that he was 'hungry for it' this year, he began working out 5 days a week in July and put on 10 lbs of weight. He said he wanted to repay Dean for having such faith in him. And he also said playing with Richards again made him happy. A happy JC is a motivated one...that = goals.

I think Sutter has quite a bit to do with the more complete player I see as a King then I did as a FLyer. ALso being with STevens again has helped . He and Richards were very close to STevens and were affected by his firing.

Sutter is a coach who demands a complete game , a 200 foot player. Carter is that player now, he wans't in PHilly. He never forechecked as aggresivly, didn't push hard to skate that extra stride to get the puc k from the carrier behind the net. He didn't check much at all. His game has evolved and changed. That play a few games back where on PP the puck got away and there was a player racing in to score shorthandd, Carter flew down the ice and made a very aggresive defensive play. He never did that as a Flyer.

I understood some of the other Flyers fans bitterness over him because as a Flyers, more times than not, he didn't push hard. He'd float , esp in the neutral zone and get beaten to pucks, he lost board battles he should have won. Where others saw those 35 (average) goals, I saw the potential for 45 or 50, but he did coast a bit at times.

Of course, a friend of mine who has alwyas been a huge fan of Carters argued (during his Flyers days where he'd get criticized for loafing/lazy) that 'how wouild like to follow Richards after his shift? ' ANd I got what he meant that because Carter is tall, long strides, doesn't have to exert to skate, Richards had to do the opposite and push hard every shift. It does come (incorrectliy at times) off like Carter was lazy.

He's been terrific as a King and not just for the 10 goals, but for the overall game. He's a 200 foot player, owning most of the ice he covers. That makes him a difference maker.

And I don't see that happeneing if he was him Philly, that trade and the faith he feels that DL showed in him , and how he worked out over the summer, changed his attitude, really created a different version of JC that we knew
It's good for him, he's going to realize his full potential. He's happy as a King, he's in much healthier locker room and is with a very tight group of teammates, that helps too. He was welcomed by them from the first day, felt 'at home' right away and thjat showed in the playoffs, almost as if he was meant to be King

In 82 games, healthy, playing like this 50 goals is not unrealisitc, he's currently on pace for almost 30.

At his Cap hit, it's not likely you'll find a better value for your $, for years to come

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There is no such thing as an unimportant goal. Whatsmore, you dont score 30 and 40 goals annualy without making your share of dents in the win column. In regards to the playoffs, Carter scored in .39 percent of his philly playoff games.

The answer lies in a combination of a media smear campaign that many believe was instigated By the philly front office to justify the upcoming trade of two players that were fan darlings. Its bitter beans.

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Philly fans man, my buddy from Philly is as insane about the eagles and he is the flyers and honestly every Philly fan I have met are insane about there team. Insane as in I think they take any frustration that they have ever had since coming out of the womb and blame it on Philly sports.
I still remember when people were burning Ryan Howard jerseys in the parking lot when the Phillies lost to the Cardinals in 2011. This was after Howard tore his achilles and still tried to get up and run to first.

There are just some players who are tagged with hate and almost always it will be the ones who didn't make clutch plays in the playoffs. We are talking decades of championship futility, so there is no patience for failure anymore.

Carter was not clutch in the playoffs in Philly. BUT he was also young, immature, and hurt a lot. If people had waited, then I think he would've turned into what he is in LA now. Plus he didn't hit people or fight, so that was another strike against him.

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Well, if this is true. I sure hope he scores early in the 1st period so we can all go home.

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Carter was not clutch in the playoffs in Philly. BUT he was also young, immature, and hurt a lot. If people had waited, then I think he would've turned into what he is in LA now. Plus he didn't hit people or fight, so that was another strike against him.
Sounds like you are buying into the propaghanda. How did he hurt people? How was he immature? How is .39 goals a playoff game not clutch? And you are giving him a strike for not fighting people? Why would Carter fight somebody?

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In 2010 he broke his foot blocking a shot and missed a number of games but came back earlier than expected. A month or so later, he broke his other foot and this time needed surgery. Note that he was always called soft but both shots happened in the slot. He had the surgery and came back early again and was on Richies RW with Gags on the left. Between the 3 of them there were 3 broken feet. Yet because Carter didn't score on Niemi he was ripped to shreds. Never mind that Brian Campbell either lifted Carter's stick or touched the puck-I forget which, but the puck ended up in Niemi's glove.

So basically the guy came back from 2 broken feet and instead of being appreciative many fans were pissed. I guess they would have preferred someone like Carcillo or Powe in his place.

The blowout jokes have mostly taken on a life of their own by people who make fun of these fans. A bunch of us Flyer fans are now Kings fans too and you'll see jokes about any 2 goal game he has on Facebook.

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Sounds like you are buying into the propaghanda. How did he hurt people? How was he immature? How is .39 goals a playoff game not clutch? And you are giving him a strike for not fighting people? Why would Carter fight somebody?
He meant Carter was hurt. As for not fighting, he did actually fight a guy who hit Giroux a couple of years ago and he held his own. It was pretty cool to see him come to Roo's defence. However, I don't want him to fight, too much risk for injury. One of the Flyers young guys got clocked the other night and broke his orbital bone. Leave the fights to the 4th liners.

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Sounds like you are buying into the propaghanda. How did he hurt people? How was he immature? How is .39 goals a playoff game not clutch? And you are giving him a strike for not fighting people? Why would Carter fight somebody?
I'm saying that fighting in Philly is almost essential, not that I don't mind him fighting. I don't care, but many thought since he is a big guy, he should be crushing people.

And yeah I meant he was injured. It always seemed to come around at the wrong time for him, causing him to miss most of the Flyers big run in 2010 for example. What Carter did in LA in 2012 was what people in Philly wanted. In Philly, he was a -14 overall in the playoffs. He just never had a Briere or even Richards run in the playoffs which is what people wanted. He finally got a real chance in LA in the playoffs after he got through the first series still being a bit injured. He never really got that in Philly so he's always remembered as being unclutch.

It just shows me that Carter always had that in him but it wasn't til he was older and more experienced before he blossomed in the championship run. I'm always mad about the lack of patience in Philly though. Lupul, JVR, Bobrovsky, Carter, Richards, all shipped out before they could really develop.


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I'm saying that fighting in Philly is almost essential, not that I don't mind him fighting. I don't care, but many thought since he is a big guy, he should be crushing people.

And yeah I meant he was injured. It always seemed to come around at the wrong time for him, causing him to miss most of the Flyers big run in 2010 for example. What Carter did in LA in 2012 was what people in Philly wanted. In Philly, he was a -14 overall in the playoffs. He just never had a Briere or even Richards run in the playoffs which is what people wanted. He finally got a real chance in LA in the playoffs after he got through the first series still being a bit injured. He never really got that in Philly so he's always remembered as being unclutch.

It just shows me that Carter always had that in him but it wasn't til he was older and more experienced before he blossomed in the championship run. I'm always mad about the lack of patience in Philly though. Lupul, JVR, Bobrovsky, Carter, Richards, all shipped out before they could really develop.
If you want to be pissed at someone for Carter being injured, blame Pronger who took the shot that broke Carter's foot. And I am saying that sarcastically because I can't believe how many people blame a player for being injured. Do you think they want to be injured? It's absolutely ridiculous reasoning. In that game when Pronger broke his foot, Carter had already scored one and scored on that play, too. In the slot (but he's soft) and even though he was in pain he still put the puck in the net.

And, no, everyone in Philly is not expected to fight. Does Briere fight? Does giroux? Gags? Kimmo? Coburn? The biggest single problem with Philly fan culture is that they keep re-living the Broad Street Bully days. Newsflash: That type of play died soon after we won the second Cup. The league has evolved and the Flyers need to evolve with it, as do the fans.

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If you want to be pissed at someone for Carter being injured, blame Pronger who took the shot that broke Carter's foot. And I am saying that sarcastically because I can't believe how many people blame a player for being injured. Do you think they want to be injured? It's absolutely ridiculous reasoning. In that game when Pronger broke his foot, Carter had already scored one and scored on that play, too. In the slot (but he's soft) and even though he was in pain he still put the puck in the net.

And, no, everyone in Philly is not expected to fight. Does Briere fight? Does giroux? Gags? Kimmo? Coburn? The biggest single problem with Philly fan culture is that they keep re-living the Broad Street Bully days. Newsflash: That type of play died soon after we won the second Cup. The league has evolved and the Flyers need to evolve with it, as do the fans.
I think it's just Carter's size that puts out that idea. Briere for example is small and fighting someone for him would be considered laughable. But Carter is 6'4" so a lot of people believe that he should be throwing his weight around. And Coburn doesn't fight but don't people expect him to throw a lot of hits?

And it doesn't help the fans when litterally all I see are highlights of the present or the broad street bullies era whenever I go to games. The 90s were a lot of fun and yet I feel like that time period is completely forgotten. I can only take so much of the rocky theme song to Bobby Clarke celebrating to 'the flyers are going to win the stanley cup!'

And does that mean I can't hate Pronger, cause I really dislike Pronger and I could always use another reason to hate him

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Carter scoring the tieing goal against Detroit on Wednesday night so I guess he doesn't always score in a blow out.

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And it doesn't help the fans when litterally all I see are highlights of the present or the broad street bullies era whenever I go to games. The 90s were a lot of fun and yet I feel like that time period is completely forgotten. I can only take so much of the rocky theme song to Bobby Clarke celebrating to 'the flyers are going to win the stanley cup!'

And does that mean I can't hate Pronger, cause I really dislike Pronger and I could always use another reason to hate him
Is it possible to have more reasons to hate Chrissy Pronger? My list is pretty damn full here.

Whats the deal with these post's? Carter Carter Carter.. To sum it up. Thanks Phili for hating him, and yes he sure does suck!

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In 10 wins for the Kings Carter has scored 10 goals, 1 assist and is a plus 7. In 8 losses he has 1 goal, 1 assist and a minus 5. In first periods he's scored 2 goals, 1 assist. In second periods he's scored 5 goals, no assists. In third periods he's scored 4 goals, 1 assist. In the last 5 minutes of the game he has 3 goals and 2 assists. He has 4 goals when the score was tied. He's scored 4 goals on Monday. Basically, when Carter scores the Kings win, his numbers look pretty normal to me, not seeing the blowout argument.

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In 10 wins for the Kings Carter has scored 10 goals, 1 assist and is a plus 7. In 8 losses he has 1 goal, 1 assist and a minus 5. In first periods he's scored 2 goals, 1 assist. In second periods he's scored 5 goals, no assists. In third periods he's scored 4 goals, 1 assist. In the last 5 minutes of the game he has 3 goals and 2 assists. He has 4 goals when the score was tied. He's scored 4 goals on Monday. Basically, when Carter scores the Kings win, his numbers look pretty normal to me, not seeing the blowout argument.
Don't you bring your "facts" and "statistics" into this... Philly and C-bus fans say he only scores in blowouts, so he only scores in blowouts...

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The whole concept of Carter only scoring in useless situations and not being a clutch player sort of stumped me for a long time. Recently though I have read several "reasons" for why a few Philly fans felt this way and now I understand why they feel the way that they do.

They are dead wrong and their reason(s) are completely ridiculous but I at least now understand where they are coming from. Allot of it seems to stem from Carter not scoring enough (or when they wanted him to) during certain playoff games. I have read several posts that refer to the Flyers being eliminated from the playoffs because Carter didn't score during one situation or another.

As if one players inability to score during a certain situation of a specific game could damn them to being labeled unreliable at their job or be the sole reason that a team doesn't win a game.

Ridiculous. It is also equally ridiculous to think that a guy who is a perennial 30+ goal scorer could be seen as a player who only scores complimentary goals and only rarely scores "clutch" goals.

Carter scores goals, lots of them. Some are exceptionally important and some are part of the total amount of goals that it took to win a game. He has also scored goals that in the end didn't effect the outcome of the game at all.

That is what happens when you score a ton of goals.

Carter plays very well away from the puck and is also at least an average defencive forward too.

In the end, whatever Carter does I am happy he does it for us. It looks like he has taken his game to another level for us because if any of the ranting in Philly was true I am certain that some posters around here would be byatching about it too by now.
This is no different then any fan forum site. Our forum is no better so trying to explain their thinking is moot. Look goal scorers are streaky and Carter is on one of those streaks. Trust me he will get cold and people here will complain.

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This is no different then any fan forum site. Our forum is no better so trying to explain their thinking is moot. Look goal scorers are streaky and Carter is on one of those streaks. Trust me he will get cold and people here will complain.
I'll blame you when if/when he does

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Don't you bring your "facts" and "statistics" into this... Philly and C-bus fans say he only scores in blowouts, so he only scores in blowouts...
Thought I would inject some of my hocus pocus and fancy city slicker talk into the topic. The best thing about Philadelphia right now is "It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia" which is mainly shot in LA.

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Well, we were getting blown out 1-0 when he scored the tying goal the other night.

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