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03-01-2013, 08:57 AM
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I've never been a Price groupie. Liked him, never loved him. And yeah - I also wondered why he so rarely 'stole games' for us.

But this year he's done exactly that. Not 'stole', as in he rescued the team after they were outplayed -- because as others have noted, we haven't been outplayed much -- but he HAS rescued games with saves that very, very other goalies would have made. He HAS shown laser-beam focus by stopping pucks through a mess of bodies. He HAS done a lot more than just 'not lose'. He HAS won games by being in position to keep the puck out of the net when most others would've let them in.

Price doesn't flail or swat or flop around. He's cool and composed. If he was a Starship captain he'd be Patrick Stewart, not William Shatner.

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Price doesn't flail or swat or flop around. He's cool and composed. If he was a Starship captain he'd be Patrick Stewart, not William Shatner.
If we do make the playoffs, I desperately want the board avatar theme to be Star Trek.

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03-01-2013, 09:04 AM
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Price steals plenty of games, he just doesn't stand on his head to do it, and as a result a lot of people don't realize just how good he is. Price doesn't stand on his head and force himself to make these acrobatic saves because he rarely as to, his positioning is just that good.

As for the last game he stole: February 3rd, 2013, against Ottawa
This. Price also has a lot of value adds that make him that much more of a valuable quantity. His puck handling skills are arguably the best of any goalie in the league whose name isn't Brodeur. His ability to play a lot of games in a season means we have to rely on our backup a lot less. He's a young guy and seems to be a good fit in the dressing room.

A lot of people say "I remember Roy being head and shoulders above the competition and Price isn't so Price sucks" but the truth of the matter is that the difference between the best starter in the league and the worst starter in the league has shrunk. Last season the best GAA for a starter (using >40 GP as the standard for a starter) was Quick at 1.95 and the worst was Mason at 3.39 (a difference of about one and a half goals a game). In 92-93 Potvin led the league with a 2.50 GAA (Roy was sixth for starters at 3.20) and Sidorkiewicz was the worst at 4.43 (a difference of two goals a game). Same goes for SV% - last year Lundqvist led the league with a .930 SV% and Mason was a league worst .901% (a difference of about 2.9%). In 1992 Curtis Joseph led the league with a .911 SV% (again Patrick was sixth at .894) and Sidorkiewicz was a league worst .856 (a difference of 5.5%). As that gap between best and worst shrinks the other skills that Price brings to the table - his puck moving skills, his ability to play a lot of games, hell - even his ability to clear his own crease from time to time - become more and more valuable.

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03-01-2013, 09:21 AM
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I just came in to post this :
Price's lateral movements are just so so sexy.

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03-01-2013, 09:25 AM
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Price steals plenty of games, he just doesn't stand on his head to do it, and as a result a lot of people don't realize just how good he is. Price doesn't stand on his head and force himself to make these acrobatic saves because he rarely as to, his positioning is just that good.

As for the last game he stole: February 3rd, 2013, against Ottawa
And the road game in New York. We were outplayed the first two periods.

Still it is hard to steal a lot of games when the team has rarely been ouptlayed, and the one game that was really bad for the team, versus Toronto 6-0, there was no way Price could steal that.

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03-01-2013, 09:36 AM
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I've never been a Price groupie. Liked him, never loved him. And yeah - I also wondered why he so rarely 'stole games' for us.

But this year he's done exactly that. Not 'stole', as in he rescued the team after they were outplayed -- because as others have noted, we haven't been outplayed much -- but he HAS rescued games with saves that very, very other goalies would have made. He HAS shown laser-beam focus by stopping pucks through a mess of bodies. He HAS done a lot more than just 'not lose'. He HAS won games by being in position to keep the puck out of the net when most others would've let them in.

Price doesn't flail or swat or flop around. He's cool and composed. If he was a Starship captain he'd be Patrick Stewart, not William Shatner
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This. Price is so positionally sound and his anticipation is off the charts(sorry for using a Pierre Mcguireism). He is just so in control of his game that he makes good scoring chances look like they aren't, this leads people to believe he is just making easy saves. It is not as sexy as a guy like Halak who is smaller and has to constantly make acrobatic saves to keep the puck out, many because he kicked out a poor rebound.

To me, Price looks like he is becoming the thoroughbred many of us believed he could be, and the team is reaping the rewards. Why hope he has to steal games?

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03-01-2013, 09:37 AM
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When was the last time Price stole a game for us?
Exactly

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Also, Price is a huge reason why the shots against aren't so high against us. Teams can't dump the puck in hard on the Habs or Price defeats the forecheck by himself. They have to carry it in or soft chip in the corner.. we eliminate one forecheck style completely.

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He doesnt steal games, he keeps us in the games.

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He doesnt steal games, he keeps us in the games.
Not only that but he is winning games, which was always a knock on him that he couldn't close out for the win.

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eeesh

its not only tv/radio talk show hosts that have nothing to talk about when the team is winning.

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Also, Price is a huge reason why the shots against aren't so high against us. Teams can't dump the puck in hard on the Habs or Price defeats the forecheck by himself. They have to carry it in or soft chip in the corner.. we eliminate one forecheck style completely.
If they got rid of that stupid trapezoid he would be even more effective. He is an awesome help to the D, a third defenseman if you will.

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Schedule is going to be more difficult...they're going to need him to steal games in the comng weeks IMO

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03-01-2013, 10:33 AM
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Price won February Molson Cup.
By default, if there's no clear winner, the goalie wins ?

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Gotta love the 'what have you done for me lately' mentality that some of our fans have, obviously we have the most bipolar fanbase in the NHL so it comes to no shock for me to see a thread like this today. Price has two shaky games and some people already forget how solid he's been for our team and how essential he is to our success. The problem with Price is that his technique is almost flawless: he's rarely out of position, barely gives any rebounds anymore and makes any save look easy. There's a reason why Marc Denis is always praising his movements and his technique in general, he was a goalie himself. That's why as a fan it doesn't seem like Price is 'stealing' the game per se because he rarely gives a rebound or compromises himself in his positioning and resorting into making desperate saves à la Halak or Tim Thomas. Think about it how many highlight reel saves does Price have in his career? 2? 3? 4? And that's in almost 300 games.

Price in 17 games has given one bad goal so far this year and it was against Ottawa. Other than that he's been one of the main reason behind our success because he helps the transition tremendously by helping the defensemen out like WTK, he's part of the other team's gameplan and other than Brodeur he's the best goalie when it comes to puckhandling.
The question of this thread should be how many games has Price cost us instead of stole us which is really subjective... You can check out this thread http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...651&highlight= to see that Price was our best player according to a lot of posters on here at the start of the season.

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Hasnt needed to steal a game since the Panthers 1-0.

I think thats the big one, and a good one.

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Price won February Molson Cup.
By default, if there's no clear winner, the goalie wins ?
He stole that Molson Cup, then.

So stealthy. Smooth criminal. A net ninja. He steals games that we don't even know he stole.

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Hasnt needed to steal a game since the Panthers 1-0.

I think thats the big one, and a good one.
Exactly this. Hasn't happened recently because price hasn't needed to bail us out. This is no longer a team that needs to rely on him to win every game.

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Dryden held out for more money. Why didn't Pollock trade him?

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Lot of things people can't see and appreciate in Carey's game.

He doesn't flop around to make a save, he's poise, calm in front of his net that's because his technique is great. It does make him less spectacular but it doesn't mean he doesn't face dangerous shot, he's just well positioned.

Also, he is like a 3rd defenseman. His game around the net and rebound control helps him to reduce the number of shots against him too.

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Every team is bound to have a bad game, same with every goaltender. I expect the team to be able to bail their goalie out of a bad game and expect the goalie to be able to bail the skaters out of a bad game as well. I don't really see it as necessarily a knock on Price, but I remember Halak stealing some games, I remember Theodore stealing some games, and I remember Roy stealing some games. I don't remember seeing a game with Price in net and thinking "Wow, without Price that game would have definitely been a loss."

I definitely prefer the steadiness of Price to almost any other goalie in the league(save Rinne or maybe Lundqvist) but it would be nice to be able to point to a single game and say "Price won that."
The habs were so disfunctional last season that pretty much every game the habs won last year is because Price stole it. They have had such an incredible turn around in their play this year that fortunately he hasnt had to steal games. But that said he is still playing excellent hockey and no longer allows that momentum shifting goal that he sometimes did earlier in his career.

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Dryden held out for more money. Why didn't Pollock trade him?
Back then you could pay a player a can of beans and they'd play...

And I know you're not serious but Pollock was too smart to trade him. Ken Dryden might actually be the best goalie of all-time. Doesn't get any credit because of the team in front of him but Ken Dryden has almost as many shutouts as he does losses... that's incredible.

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