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03-01-2013, 02:31 PM
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You can trade for all the defensemen in the world, and if the system is broken in some fundamental way they will fail as much as the current batch is failing.
Point taken. I'm not suggesting there are no system problems. I'm suggesting with or without them we'd be tougher to play against if we had someone a little more physically imposing than Nisky out there. I don't dislike Nisky or blame him for our troubles; just seeing him as the pragmatic asset to be moved in this context, along with Orpik maybe. And yes, the ideal solushun is to fix both problems.

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Another point; why is Orpik still a Penguin? His performance shows me nothing special at all, and he's far from a leader on this roster.

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See... I tend to think it has much more to do bad bounces and puck luck, myself.

Just like the last three years worth of post seasons. Aberrations!
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Dylonus: I had really hoped after a long off-season he'd be all healed up and recharged but he's just getting slower every year and less physical at that. The more I think about it the more I think now is the time to move him if we want quality assets coming back.

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03-01-2013, 02:34 PM
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Another point; why is Orpik still a Penguin? His performance shows me nothing special at all, and he's far from a leader on this roster.
Good question.

Orpik is pretty far down the "do as I say... not as I do" road, at this point. His message has to be ringing a little hollow with some of the guys in the locker room, at this point.

He's one of my favorite Penguins, traditionally... but the last couple of seasons have been kind of painful to watch.

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Another point; why is Orpik still a Penguin? His performance shows me nothing special at all, and he's far from a leader on this roster.
Not to mention is value is still high around the league. If we aren't going to fire bylsma for that big shakeup this team needs, then trading away Orpik could be the next best thing. Considering the return that is. I normally wouldn't trade away someone like him during the year, that is something that is done in the offseason , but I truly can't see him doing much in the post season against top teams. He's been abused against Philly and others lately

With Orpik , we could actually make a hockey trade. Don't have to hope teams fall out of the race. I have no doubts we could get a huge return for him...just highly doubt Shero has the guts to do it

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03-01-2013, 02:38 PM
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Dylonus: I had really hoped after a long off-season he'd be all healed up and recharged but he's just getting slower every year and less physical at that. The more I think about it the more I think now is the time to move him if we want quality assets coming back.
At 32 and slowing, Orpik has to be moved ASAP or he likely won't (can't) be moved at all. With some good young defensemen coming through the system, I'd definitely unload him.

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03-01-2013, 02:40 PM
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I think you mean: "Fool me once, shame on shame on you. Fool me you can't get fooled again."

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Brooks can be an effective player, but he needs to be in a more defense oriented system. And with a partner that can carry the play for him.

St. Louis. Hitchcock. Pietrangelo.

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Going by today's standings, the Penguins are next to last in Goals Against, when comparing teams in the current playoff hunt, east or west. The only team that has given up more goals is Winnipeg. If a trade is made, I would hope that the defense is addressed, not this never ending wingerquest.

We need a top 2, top 4 defenseman in the worst way.

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Going by today's standings, the Penguins are next to last in Goals Against, when comparing teams in the current playoff hunt, east or west. The only team that has given up more goals is Winnipeg. If a trade is made, I would hope that the defense is addressed, not this never ending wingerquest.

We need a top 2, top 4 defenseman in the worst way.
I agree. The reason I say top 6 winger and/or defensive defenseman for Orpik is because of his NTC. Potential return depends on the trading partner, and as long as they got one of those two "items" back I'd be find with the trade.

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IMO, moving Orpik would be a mistake. He's the exact kind of d-man we need more of. He hasn't played his best this season, but he surely isn't as bad as everyone is making him out to be.

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03-01-2013, 02:54 PM
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IMO, moving Orpik would be a mistake. He's the exact kind of d-man we need more of. He hasn't played his best this season, but he surely isn't as bad as everyone is making him out to be.
...or last season...

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Listening to Pens radio makes me think bad times could come.

Beat writer(?), thinks pens can't keep Malkin and Letang.

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No point. The Pens are an attractive enough team that it would be better for him to sign with a **** team for the first few years to cut his teeth in the NHL, then take a contract with the Pens later.

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Listening to Pens radio makes me think bad times could come.

Beat writer(?), thinks pens can't keep Malkin and Letang.
Rossi's a fool, but it certainly isn't going to be easy to retain them both.

Still say Letang isn't worth 7 mil.

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Yeah... I'm definitely coming around to that conclusion, myself.

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Rossi's a fool, but it certainly isn't going to be easy to retain them both.

Still say Letang isn't worth 7 mil.
Nope not at all is he worth 7.

5 at most right now. With him being inconsistent right now.

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then only way the Pens can't retain both is if Malkin wants the max, and in that case I think it's clear he wants out anyhow.

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Rossi's a fool, but it certainly isn't going to be easy to retain them both.

Still say Letang isn't worth 7 mil.
I guess Rossi forgot what he wrote a little over a month ago:

http://triblive.com/sports/penguins/...#axzz2Iio76QUR

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So.. 2 finals appearances and 1 cup with that core.. could be worse

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I just put in the other thread a trade of letang for phaneuf and kulemin. I think the team needs some type of shake up obv if u trade letang u gotta get another top def back. Letang doesn't play on your top pp not on your top def pair and isn't the first pair of def to be on the PK and hes gonna want allot of money. I think his value would be really high right now if u did something. If u feel good about all these young def coming up I dont think its a bad idea

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then only way the Pens can't retain both is if Malkin wants the max, and in that case I think it's clear he wants out anyhow.
With the new term limitations... he really wouldn't be too far out in left field asking for the max. But yeah... we're obviously all hoping he'll take less to stick around. You have to wonder, should the team get inglorious dumped in the first/second round again, how motivated he'll be to take a paycut.

The team seems so wrongheaded, right now, that it wouldn't surprise me to see them accommodate anything Letang wants and lowball Geno.

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