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03-01-2013, 03:41 PM
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Colorado don't sign. Calgary put ROR on waiver. Columbus pick him up.

To Columbus: Calgary's 3rd
To Colorado: ROR
To Calgary: Nothing

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That would be

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03-01-2013, 03:41 PM
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Probably the Luongo trade if you look at everything involved in it, just a cycle of horrible moves:

-Drafting Dipietro 1st overall when you drafted Luongo 4th overall 3 years before.

-Trading Luongo for looking at an apartment before a game.

-Trading Luongo and Jokinen for Kvasha and Parrish.


Absolutely nothing about that trade makes any sense. The Yashin one was brutal but at least Yashin was a first liner for a while. The way they handled Luongo makes zero sense.

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03-01-2013, 03:45 PM
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-Trading Luongo for looking at an apartment before a game.
What?

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03-01-2013, 03:46 PM
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We lost Francois Beauchemin on waviers when Gainey sent sent him down to the AHL thinking he didn't have to go threw the wavier wire. I know not as bad but still sad for a GM and the rest of the staff not to know the rules.
IIRC, Gainey knew very well Beauchemin had to go on waivers. This was right in the beginning of the 2005 lockout, and he wanted Beauchemin to play in the AHL. So he first called all the GM to make sure everybody understood the situation and no one would try any funny stuff.

But one did, and we lost Beauchemin. A few days latter, the NHL voted a special rule saying that because of the lockout, players such as Beauchemin were exempt from waivers. But it was too late. So, yeah, it was a mistake from Gainey, but it's not like he was blind in all this.

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I remember laughing a lot when Mel Bridgman then Ottawa's GM drafted a player that had been allready drafted few hours before.
Holy crap... really?


BTW, apparently Colorado finalized matching papers last night. Once again... dumb move.

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03-01-2013, 03:51 PM
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Holy crap... really?
Yes. If you look at the lists of all the rounds of every draft, you'll find an "Invalid Claim". -- That's Mel Bridgman mistake, I think the first year of Ottawa in the league.

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What?
"In January 2000, Luongo was publicly criticized by Islanders general manager Mike Milbury for having gone looking for an apartment in New York on a game day before letting in seven goals to the Boston Bruins. Milbury told the media, "You can't do that in the NHL. You have to prepare yourself." Luongo defended himself by saying he did not divert from his usual game day routine by looking at just one apartment."

A lot of people think that was the reason Milbury gave up on Luongo, leading to the drafting of Dipietro and the trade.

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Yes. If you look at the lists of all the rounds of every draft, you'll find an "Invalid Claim". -- That's Mel Bridgman mistake, I think the first year of Ottawa in the league.
I believe this is it:

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/201...inis-screw-up/


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The Ottawa Citizen
Fri Jun 19 1992
Page: C1
Section: Sports
Byline: John MacKinnon
Dateline: Montreal
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MONTREAL — Mel Bridgman shifted nervously onstage, leaned into the microphone and intoned sheepishly: ”Ottawa apologizes.”
The Senators’ general manager had just taken Todd Ewen, the Montreal Canadiens tough guy, as pick 33 in the expansion draft on Thursday.
Wrong, said Brian O’Neill, the NHL’s executive vice-president. Montreal already had lost the maximum two players — goaltender Frederic Chabot to Tampa and left-winger Sylvain Turgeon to the Senators.
None of the 17 people seated around the Senators’ table had crossed Chabot’s name off their list. So when the Senators chose Turgeon, nobody realized he was the final Montreal player who could be taken.
After the Ewen gaffe, Bridgman stepped off stage and slouched back to the draft table for further consultation.
A few minutes later, Bridgman headed back to select Mark Freer, a 23-year-old minor-leaguer from the Philadelphia Flyers.
At pick No. 40, the second-to-last forward Ottawa would pick, Bridgman went for Todd Hawkins of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Oops. Toronto had lost its maximum two players also.
Back to the table went Bridgman. More discussion. Then back to the podium.
”The Senators choose C.J. Young,” he said.
Wrong again. Young, who played for Team U.S.A. at the Albertville Olympics, wasn’t on the final list of available players.
More discussion. At one point, Bridgman, John Ferguson, Ottawa’s director of player personnel, and Senators CEO Randy Sexton all walked on stage to confer with O’Neill, Jim Gregory, the NHL’s vice-president of hockey operations, and Garry Lovegrove, of the league’s central player registry.
”This is not entirely Ottawa’s fault,” O’Neill said. ”Young’s name was on an earlier list, but it was reviewed and an exemption was discovered. His name did not appear on the final list.”
An embarrassed, weary Bridgman explained the mistake to a questioner.
”The list we had included Young’s name,” he said. ”Late this afternoon we were handed an envelope which contained a list on which his name did not appear. I never saw that list.”
Bridgman wasn’t the only one slightly baffled by the process of choosing the NHL’s castoffs.
Long after the draft was completed, Ferguson, talking with reporters, spoke favorably about the toughness of the Senators, with players like Mike Peluso and Ewen, the disqualified Senator.
If Ferguson was mildly oblivious, Bridgman was annoyed with himself.
”I guess I take things like that personally,” he said. ”I feel embarrassed.”

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03-01-2013, 04:23 PM
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In all seriousness, I can't think of anything worse. Can you?
The Patrick Roy trade was worse.

Sure, giving up a 1st and 3rd pick for nothing is bad.

Giving the (arguably) best goaltender of all time for what we gave away... Oh yeah, throw in Mike Keane too! That is clearly worse.

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Okay well sounds like that's more a problem with the process than anything else. I'd give him a Mulligan on that one.
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The Patrick Roy trade was worse.

Sure, giving up a 1st and 3rd pick for nothing is bad.

Giving the (arguably) best goaltender of all time for what we gave away... Oh yeah, throw in Mike Keane too! That is clearly worse.
Worse trade? Sure?

Is it as dumb as giving up a 1st and 3rd for nothing while pissing off another team in the process? No.

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The Messier trade is different. It's a forced trade kind of like the Roy one. Very bad deals but they were at least forced.
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Edmonton got Bernie Nicholls, Steven Rice, David Shaw and Louie Debrusk out of Messier (and Beukeboom).

This is bad, but is probably even made worse by the fact that Edmonton turned Nicholls into 1 year and a half of Zedno Ciger and Kevin Todd a lear later.

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Just heard that Calgary would've had to have paid the signing bonus too... 2.5 million, two picks and then watch Columbus take ROR.

Man I wish Colorado had a good GM. That would've been awesome to watch.

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Couldn't the Flames tell ROR to just sit at home while they paid him and not put him through waivers this year and for him to start playing next year? Seems like a better scenario than losing a 1st and 3rd pick plus the player if they could have done it that way. The NHLPA probably wouldn't be happy with that scenario though.

Too bad the Avs matched though.. This would've been an interesting story to follow.
You can't tell a player not to play a full year and just he hopes he likes you enough for it to happen.

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I realize that this is an Out of Town thing, but it seriously deserves it's own thread, and I'll morph it into a topic about worst GM moves ever...

Calgary was saved by Colorado's match because they would've lost their 1st, 3rd AND they never would've gott ROR because he would've had to have cleared waivers...

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2013/..._ryan_oreilly/

What a shame Colorado had to go and ruin it. This would've been the worst move of all-time.

In all seriousness, I can't think of anything worse. Can you?
That still isn't of Houlean proportions.

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Pretty simple, Everything Milbury did.

the one that stands out the most to me was yashin for spezza and chara, what a moron.

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Pretty simple, Everything Milbury did.

the one that stands out the most to me was yashin for spezza and chara, what a moron.
The only GM worse was Don Cherry in Mississauga ignoring the import draft because WHO NEEDS EUROPEANS, his team being one of the worst OHL franchises of all time and then bringing up a bunch of scrap Europeans to blame the season on them.

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That still isn't of Houlean proportions.
1st, 3rd, 2.5 million for no return plus the Jackets get ROR is pretty freaking bad.

Plus, the Flames are fighting for a playoff spot, and despite getting lucky... they've now incented a rival to bring back a key player who's been sitting out. So best case scenario, they've screwed themselves by having a rival get stronger as they're fighting for the playoffs...

Now that's dumb.

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Montreal has a very long list. The good trades are overflowned by the ugly ones.

Starting with Chelios, Roy, Ribeiro, LeClair and the infamous trade for Gomez.

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Montreal has a very long list. The good trades are overflowned by the ugly ones.

Starting with Chelios, Roy, Ribeiro, LeClair and the infamous trade for Gomez.
Langway trade was worse than Leclair and Gomez.

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Langway trade was worse than Leclair and Gomez.
Not really. Green and Walter helped the Habs won a cup in 1986. Langway never won anything with Washington except individual Norris trophies.

LeClair scored a zillion goals with the Flyers, Desjardins was super steady on D and one of their leaders, and Gomez costesd the Habs an arm and a leg + a top-two d-man, McDonagh.

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Just heard that Calgary would've had to have paid the signing bonus too... 2.5 million, two picks and then watch Columbus take ROR.

Man I wish Colorado had a good GM. That would've been awesome to watch.
My question is: would the NHL have permitted any "gun to the head" deal between COL and CGY following this debacle? Not sure.

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Not really. Green and Walter helped the Habs won a cup in 1986. Langway never won anything with Washington except individual Norris trophies.

LeClair scored a zillion goals with the Flyers, Desjardins was super steady on D and one of their leaders, and Gomez costesd the Habs an arm and a leg + a top-two d-man, McDonagh.
They would have won it anyway with Langway. That would be like dismissing the Savard/Chelios trade because Montreal won a Cup anyway without Chelios.

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Dumbest Move Ever by a GM?

Pierre Gauthier signing the contract granting him the job of GM for the Canadiens.


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They would have won it anyway with Langway. That would be like dismissing the Savard/Chelios trade because Montreal won a Cup anyway without Chelios.
This trade was bad because Chelios kept playing for another 15 years after. All the doctotrs were telling Serge Savard that Chelios's legs were about to die on him.

Habs made TWO mistakes with Denis Savard. Nor drafting him in 1981, and trading for him in 1991.

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They would have won it anyway with Langway. That would be like dismissing the Savard/Chelios trade because Montreal won a Cup anyway without Chelios.
Langway and Engblom were traded after the infamous goal by Dale Hunter (Nordiques). Both were on the ice for that ugly goal.

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