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Toronto and St. Louis Talking Trade? Kulemin Involved?

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03-01-2013, 05:21 PM
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I would love it if Schwartz came to the leafs. Would trade Frattin, Liles and a prospect.

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Kessel makes even less sense. He is strictly offense and plays RW.

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If the Leafs need D, the Blues will give you a good deal on Redden and/or Russell

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03-01-2013, 05:23 PM
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I just don't see any incentive for the Leafs to trade with the Blues right now...

Kulemin hasn't been scoring much, but he's been an instrumental player on our checking line with Grabo. Ian Cole is obviously a decent piece, but the Leafs are already 9-deep on the blueline. What the heck is the point of adding another 18-minute defenceman???

As for Scwartz, what's the point? We're loaded on the wings.


Yeah, this deal doesn't make sense for either team.

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If the Leafs need D, the Blues will give you a good deal on Redden and/or Russell
Russell is definitely a fit for the Leafs

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03-01-2013, 05:25 PM
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Such a deal would not surprise me. The Leafs need to move players, both forwards and defenseman.

It is hard though to gauge Kulemin's value. He is not the same player he was in between 2008-2010. You can watch clips between then and now he doesn't have the same ability to be that bull in the china shop along the boards that opened up opportunities for himself and others. He's also got Dion Phaneuf syndrome. His shot, which still has the same heaviness that allowed him to pot 30 in '09-'10, simply doesn't hit the net often enough and that's when he manages to get it off.

He is still, however, a player who has an incredible work ethic and is great on the opposite side of the puck. Those are traits that Randy Carlyle loves and certainly Ken Hitchcock would as well. I'm not sure a pick would be of much help, unless it was a mid-1st or so and I can understand why St. Louis would hesitate to offer that up. I'd love Steen back but doubt he's available. Maybe something around Cole? I don't know how highly Blues fans see him.

In terms of defensemen, Liles is probably the first target, even if you don't really need another puck moving guy. I wouldn't rule out a deal around Komisarek though. He looked decent in his very limited action this year and he can always be bought out at the end of the season if he doesn't play well.

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03-01-2013, 05:26 PM
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Not sure why we would give up Cole or Schwartz for another winger, we dont need more wingers

edit: unless there is another deal to send Perron/Stewart for a dman

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For a Toronto roster standpoint, do you guys need a more offensive forward like Schwartz? Or does it make more sense to have the 2-way game of Kulemin? Just want to know how your roster is composed and style wise, not valuing the actual players.

If you don't have extra 2-way forwards to cover for Kulemin, then I don't see any deal happening.

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Ian Cole is a good piece but Toronto has deep D and is probably looking to move a couple not add.

Schwartz is the piece we would be interested in for sure. Kulemin probably isn't enough but I don't know how much more we would be willing to add to our excellent two-way forward, regardless of how touted Schwartz is.

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03-01-2013, 05:27 PM
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Such a deal would not surprise me. The Leafs need to move players, both forwards and defenseman.

It is hard though to gauge Kulemin's value. He is not the same player he was in between 2008-2010. You can watch clips between then and now he doesn't have the same ability to be that bull in the china shop along the boards that opened up opportunities for himself and others. He's also got Dion Phaneuf syndrome. His shot, which still has the same heaviness that allowed him to pot 30 in '09-'10, simply doesn't hit the net often enough and that's when he manages to get it off.

He is still, however, a player who has an incredible work ethic and is great on the opposite side of the puck. Those are traits that Randy Carlyle loves and certainly Ken Hitchcock would as well. I'm not sure a pick would be of much help, unless it was a mid-1st or so and I can understand why St. Louis would hesitate to offer that up. I'd love Steen back but doubt he's available. Maybe something around Cole? I don't know how highly Blues fans see him.

In terms of defensemen, Liles is probably first target, even if you don't really need another puck moving guy. I wouldn't rule out a deal around Komisarek though. He looked decent in his very limited action this year and he can always at the end of the season if he doesn't play well.
The whole idea that the Leafs need to move players is ridiculous. They're winning hockey games.

You don't clear out talent when you're winning.

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03-01-2013, 05:29 PM
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You must be a big watcher of the Toronto Maple Leafs with your extensive knowledge of his +/-!

I'm not even going to respond, I'll let others do my dirty work for me.
Just cuz it's fun to have a go with the Leaf fans, here we go:

I've seen EVERY Leaf game in the last 3 years...yeah, every one; and probably 95% of the last 5 years games...Phaneuf has never lived up to his reputation since coming over to the Leafs...he's not a top pairing d-man, get over it; I did...

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Is Schultz really that good or valuable? I know he was a very good player in WJC and he has a high end hockey IQ.

so was Hickey... WJC doesn't really project who will translate the best. They're still playing Junior caliber players.


he hasn't proven anything at the NHL level yet



good prospect but looks like Blues fan desperately overvalue him

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Maybe Kulemin and Gardiner would get you Steen and that's a maybe.
I laughed. Gardner would get us Steen without a problem.

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Who could Kule + Gunnar net?

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I laughed. Gardner would get us Steen without a problem.
No he wouldnt

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The whole idea that the Leafs need to move players is ridiculous. They're winning hockey games.

You don't clear out talent when you're winning.
NHL teams can only have 23 players on the roster at a time. The Leafs are currently at that limit, with Frattin and Lupul coming back in the next few weeks, and nearly everyone needing to clear waivers to be sent down. Room also needs to be made for Gardiner eventually.

Changes are going to need to be made in the coming weeks, whether winning or losing.

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Just cuz it's fun to have a go with the Leaf fans, here we go:

I've seen EVERY Leaf game in the last 3 years...yeah, every one; and probably 95% of the last 5 years games...Phaneuf has never lived up to his reputation since coming over to the Leafs...he's not a top pairing d-man, get over it; I did...
Wait how many years?

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For a Toronto roster standpoint, do you guys need a more offensive forward like Schwartz? Or does it make more sense to have the 2-way game of Kulemin? Just want to know how your roster is composed and style wise, not valuing the actual players.

If you don't have extra 2-way forwards to cover for Kulemin, then I don't see any deal happening.
Makes more sense to hold on to Kulemin. Definitely want to hang on to one of our defensive forwards.

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IF Army is willing to deal Schwartz...

Schwartz
Cole
Pick/Prospect

Kulemin
Gardiner
That pick would have to be pretty good since the leafs downgrade both pieces.

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No he wouldnt
He really would.

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Just cuz it's fun to have a go with the Leaf fans, here we go:

I've seen EVERY Leaf game in the last 3 years...yeah, every one; and probably 95% of the last 5 years games...Phaneuf has never lived up to his reputation since coming over to the Leafs...he's not a top pairing d-man, get over it; I did...
That's your opinion but I think you're wrong. I could understand MAYBE if you said not a #1 but to claim he's not even a top pairing D-man is just silly. #3 D-man would put him in the same class as the Seidenbergs, Leopolds, Brewers of the world and you've got to have a special pair of hate goggles on to think that.

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No interest in wingers or dmen unless they're clear upgrades. The Blues can have Liles/Komi for a late pick though

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I would love it if Schwartz came to the leafs. Would trade Frattin, Liles and a prospect.
You can't be serious?

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I laughed. Gardner would get us Steen without a problem.
No chance...IMO, Gardiner doesn't even net you Schwartz

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He really would.
He really wouldnt.

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