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02-28-2013, 04:53 AM
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They didn't even email us?

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Also, a guy in my other keeper traded Giroux for Tarasenko, Read, Perry, and a 1st. Wat.

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IIRC the trade deadline is set by the commissioner though there is a default date.

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Screw that. Season is too short for that. NHL trade deadline is 4/27. I made our deadline 4/1. Trades may resume.

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On the block:

Fleury (3.76 fp/g) or Lehtonen (3.68 fp/g) + Lecavlier (2.11 fp/g) + (other picks and players if you want em)

If we need to get creative swapping picks or having me add to those two to get the value even that's fine. But whatever the return is I am really only looking for one player. I am also very willing to part with delZotto (1.1 fp/g) and Erhoff (1.16 fp/g). Lupul (out for another week) and Kopecky (1.8 fp/g) can both be had for a song as well.
Those guys are all still up for trade. I'd like to move them together for one guy, but if that can't happen I'll still take a pick for any one of them.

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03-01-2013, 06:44 PM
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Working on the draft picks...my email sent the Fantrax Support reply to my junk box. So hopefully we are making progress now.

If anybody has traded any picks they shouldn't have, either accidentally or not, I'm going to dock Prongo down to 2 keepers and remove his draft picks from the 1st to 15th rounds.

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I've done some wheeling and dealing. So I might have traded a draft pick I don't have (I would have no way to know since I'm taking over the team this year). If it comes down to it and I have to lose a pick or something to get it sorted out, I won't be too burnt up about it.

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That's fine, it's Prongo's problem anyways

In all seriousness, it won't be hard to fix. We can just renegotiate trades.

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Working on the draft picks...my email sent the Fantrax Support reply to my junk box. So hopefully we are making progress now.

If anybody has traded any picks they shouldn't have, either accidentally or not, I'm going to dock Prongo down to 2 keepers and remove his draft picks from the 1st to 15th rounds.
His team couldn't get worse

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03-16-2013, 03:47 AM
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I'm still trying to move some rental players that might be useful to fill out the bottom of people's line ups. If you need another goalie, Fleury, Hiller and Lehtonen are all available. Lupul, Tlusty, Ryder and Gonchar are available. Vinny is available too if anyone wants his gimpy, injured ass, lol.

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Would like opinions please on draft picks.

I think many of us are over valuing our players in relation to draft picks. We are a league of 12 teams, not 30 as in the actual NHL. A player that may be a first round pick on a league of 30 is not a first round pick in our league.

Here is how I see it:

1st round = top 12 players
2nd round = top 24 players
3rd = top 36
etc..

Players like Loui Erikkson, Zach Parise, St. Louis, Subban, etc may be worth a first rounder in the NHL, but not in a league of 12 teams.

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Zach Parise is a keeper, and my player. If you want him you give me what I want!

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Zach Parise is a keeper, and my player. If you want him you give me what I want!
My post was not aimed at you specifically, but a trend I have noticed over the last few seasons.

And besides I dont need him that badly, but whether he is your keeper or not is irrelevant to his value to me, or others. He is a great player, just not a top 12 player in my opinion. So, not worth a first.


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03-20-2013, 06:24 PM
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Would like opinions please on draft picks.

I think many of us are over valuing our players in relation to draft picks. We are a league of 12 teams, not 30 as in the actual NHL. A player that may be a first round pick on a league of 30 is not a first round pick in our league.

Here is how I see it:

1st round = top 12 players
2nd round = top 24 players
3rd = top 36
etc..

Players like Loui Erikkson, Zach Parise, St. Louis, Subban, etc may be worth a first rounder in the NHL, but not in a league of 12 teams.
I disagree. First round = 96th - 108th players.

There are 12 teams, keeping eight players. So the 96 best players are worth more than the first overall draft pick. Keeping in mind that one or two of the top 100 players in the league might still be minors eligible, I'd say the first overall pick is worth about as much as the 101st best player in the league. In reality the flexibility of the 1st over all pick, and being able to draft to team needs probably effects value a good bit. So I would say the value for the first overall pick probably lands somewhere about on par with the 85th best player in the league.

It's a little tougher to look at in a league where there are head to head match-ups and your wins and losses are counted in how many categories you win each week. But since our player's performance all gets boiled down into one number, fantasy points, player valuation actually gets really easy. Parise's current fantasy points total is 60.4, which is good for 41st in the league. So he shouldn't even be available in the first round of the draft. His fantasy point rate is 2.16/game, which is good enough for 72nd - still not someone who you'd expect to see available in the first round of the draft. And that rank of 72nd is misleading when you consider that almost all the top 30 or so guys are goalies. His production is excellent for a skater. If I were looking to acquire him, I would expect to be asked for a first +.

Mkoll, what team do you manage? I have an extra first this year. If you value that pick more highly than I do and I see someone on your roster I value more than the pick, perhaps there is a trade that we both like in there somewhere.

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03-20-2013, 07:05 PM
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What I mean is the top 12 players available. So when our draft comes around after this season and we have our pick of the remaining players (and there WILL be some good ones ppl drop). A first round pick will let you pick one of the top 12 players still out there.


I manage the Adeptus Astartes btw If someone wants to offer me a player, I have to think about where I would normally draft them in a fantasy league depending on size of league. Thats how I determine value.


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What I mean is the top 12 players available. So when our draft comes around after this season and we have our pick of the remaining players (and there WILL be some good ones ppl drop). A first round pick will let you pick one of the top 12 players still out there.


I manage the Adeptus Astartes btw If someone wants to offer me a player, I have to think about where I would normally draft them in a fantasy league depending on size of league. Thats how I determine value.
Yea but a 4th round pick where everyone is available is different then a 4th round pick in a league where 12 teams are keeping 8 players a piece.

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03-20-2013, 07:20 PM
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Yea but a 4th round pick where everyone is available is different then a 4th round pick in a league where 12 teams are keeping 8 players a piece.
A 4th round pick in a fantasy league of 12 teams is still *really* good compared to a 4th round pick of 30 teams. How many players are being kept is irrelevant, because we are all picking from the same pool.

does anyone have the draft results from our last draft?

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A 4th round pick in a fantasy league of 12 teams is still *really* good compared to a 4th round pick of 30 teams. How many players are being kept is irrelevant, because we are all picking from the same pool.

does anyone have the draft results from our last draft?
Haha, I'm actually still working on that. It's slow going because I'm not a good commisioner

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A 4th round pick in a fantasy league of 12 teams is still *really* good compared to a 4th round pick of 30 teams. How many players are being kept is irrelevant, because we are all picking from the same pool.

does anyone have the draft results from our last draft?
It is relevant. K to oversimplify this, 8 players from 12 teams are kept, that means the 97th best player per points in the league should be the 1st overall pick in the draft this year. The 97th best player in the league this year per our league scoring is Daniel Alfredsson. 98 is Paul Martin, 99 Dustin Byfuglien, 100 Joe Pavelski, 101 Brian Campbell, and 102 Brayden Schenn. Not exactly the Zach Parise's of the world. Those are 1st round picks in this draft coming up. Chris Neil and Frans Nielson are the 4th round picks you are looking at

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It is relevant. K to oversimplify this, 8 players from 12 teams are kept, that means the 97th best player per points in the league should be the 1st overall pick in the draft this year. The 97th best player in the league this year per our league scoring is Daniel Alfredsson. 98 is Paul Martin, 99 Dustin Byfuglien, 100 Joe Pavelski, 101 Brian Campbell, and 102 Brayden Schenn. Not exactly the Zach Parise's of the world. Those are 1st round picks in this draft coming up. Chris Neil and Frans Nielson are the 4th round picks you are looking at
You are discussing all players. I am only discussing players who will be available. (So your 96th player, would actually be the best player available in our league and very valuable addition to our keepers) Most players are just not worth that first round pick because of their value in rebuilding our team. Especially in our league. When we only have to wait 12 spots before picking...sometimes picking twice in a very short period of time.

That is why I wanted a list of our last draft. AFTER our keepers were set you would still see some very decent players coming out of the 3-5 rounds

My point to this topic was to get opinions, and I believe I have some now. Obviously we all value players/picks differently. So, lets move on


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03-23-2013, 03:38 AM
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My post was not aimed at you specifically, but a trend I have noticed over the last few seasons.

And besides I dont need him that badly, but whether he is your keeper or not is irrelevant to his value to me, or others. He is a great player, just not a top 12 player in my opinion. So, not worth a first.
I think the statistical nature of fantasy hockey and our scoring system in general makes it less subjective than that really. Who's keeper he is isn't really relevant, but the fact that he'd be a keeper on every single team in the league is. JVR21 is killing the league right now and Parise would be a keeper on that team, and Last Place too. The only thing that makes the value close for me is the fact that if you trade Parise for a first you get to keep some other player that you wouldn't have otherwise. So if you were going to cut some guy that would've otherwise gone in the second round of the draft, you might end up on the winning end of that trade. But that's a gamble.


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So when is the draft and when do we have to submit our keeper list?

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The draft will not be until FA starts, so we can make decisions based on that. Keeper List will probably be due the day before the draft. The draft is currently set for some ********, we'll be ignoring that.

As a reminder, 82 games is the limit for all prospects. In the past, once a prospect reaches that level, he must be moved up or released. I believe I'll keep that intact.

A prospect reckoning is coming. Be ready.

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The draft will not be until FA starts, so we can make decisions based on that. Keeper List will probably be due the day before the draft. The draft is currently set for some ********, we'll be ignoring that.

As a reminder, 82 games is the limit for all prospects. In the past, once a prospect reaches that level, he must be moved up or released. I believe I'll keep that intact.

A prospect reckoning is coming. Be ready.
During the season, do we do 82 games from the start of the season?

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