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Toronto and St. Louis Talking Trade? Kulemin Involved?

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03-01-2013, 07:30 PM
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If STL threw in something little (Gardiner's brother?), I'd be all over this. I really like Schwartz.
What's the scouting report on Schwartz?
Checked NHL.com
14th overall
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23 gp 3g-3a-6p

Seems small for the third line, and hasn't put up impressive numbers.

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What on earth makes Schwartz worth Kulemin and Gunnarson?

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russell ?
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Very solid defenceman. The fact that Leaf fans think Gunnarsson is even a passable 2nd pairing defenceman is laughable. Russell is what Leaf fans think Gunnarsson is.

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Kulemin fits STL system to a T. But it will take a significant piece to get him
why? why would it take anything significant to pick up a 27 year old with 9 goals in his last 92 games, including 2 in 22 this year.

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I'm kind of questioning why the Leafs would want Schwatz like...at all.

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What on earth makes Schwartz worth Kulemin and Gunnarson?
more importantly why on earth would STL want to trade schwartz for kulemin and gunnerson?

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why? why would it take anything significant to pick up a 27 year old with 9 goals in his last 92 games, including 2 in 22 this year.
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more importantly why on earth would STL want to trade schwartz for kulemin and gunnerson?

Kulemin is excellent defensively, and can score. Convenient of you to leave out 2010-11. Gunnarson is no worse then a reliable top 4 dman. Hes arguably top 3 on many teams.

Schwartz is what, exactly?

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I'm kind of questioning why the Leafs would want Schwatz like...at all.
This.. we don't need undersized forwards. We need a big guy like Berglund.

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why? why would it take anything significant to pick up a 27 year old with 9 goals in his last 92 games, including 2 in 22 this year.
Wouldn't take anything insanely significant but you're undervaluing him. He's not a top 6 player, but he's one of the best 3rd line wingers you'll find and fits the Blues style of play perfectly.

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more importantly why on earth would STL want to trade schwartz for kulemin and gunnerson?
Blues can keep Schwartz and the Leafs will stay put with Kulemin and Gunnerson. Everyone's happy.

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I'm kind of questioning why the Leafs would want Schwatz like...at all.
Because they're trying to get bigger?

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Jaden Schwartz is a 5'10 Center with unimpressive numbers in the pros (AHL and NHL). Why on earth do we want him? And how on earth would he be worth Kulemin, let alone Kulemin and Gunnarsson? Blues fans are off their rockers on this. Only player I want to get from St. Louis would be Chris Stewart and even for him I wouldn't give up more than MacArthur or Gunnarsson.

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Because they're trying to get bigger?
I'm confused? He'd instantly be our smallest forward?

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Wouldn't take anything insanely significant but you're undervaluing him. He's not a top 6 player, but he's one of the best 3rd line wingers you'll find and fits the Blues style of play perfectly.
i can go with that.
not a huge gunnarson fan though and find him to be an average top 4 guy.

and i probably over value schwartz i guess, i just remember everytime i watched him he just seemed so smart, smooth etc. i thought he was easily the best player on his WJC team.
maybe it wont translate - havent seen him much lately.

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Let's think about this. What does Toronto need? We dont need Cole, etc, and the Blues arent moving anyone with a big name like Berglund, Pietrangelo, etc.

So what does that leave? Kulemin isnt landing Schwartz.

So if it's Kulemin, the Leafs are either so angry with him and his play and are done with him, and in that case we can expect a pick or prospect, or it's a hockey trade. Could be D'Agostini as an, in with their bad, out with our bad, or a prospect. That doesnt make sense either though as Kulemin is worth more than D'Agostini. Maybe Sobotka?

Id say it's a prospect but not sure why the Leafs really wanna rock the boat.

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Kulemin is excellent defensively, and can score. Convenient of you to leave out 2010-11. Gunnarson is no worse then a reliable top 4 dman. Hes arguably top 3 on many teams.

Schwartz is what, exactly?
He's scored over 40 points in his career once, I think it's safe to say his 30g year was a fluke. He is nothing more than a glorified third line winger. I don't know why St. Louis would trade a young, 1st round pick in his first NHL season for Kulemin and/or Gunnarson. Don't get me wrong though, I love Kulemin and would love him in Philly, but he def isn't worth Schwartz.

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Jaden Schwartz is a 5'10 Center with unimpressive numbers in the pros (AHL and NHL). Why on earth do we want him? And how on earth would he be worth Kulemin, let alone Kulemin and Gunnarsson? Blues fans are off their rockers on this. Only player I want to get from St. Louis would be Chris Stewart and even for him I wouldn't give up more than MacArthur or Gunnarsson.
If you want to stat watch, look at Kulemin. Horrible numbers for the past 2 years. Schwartz is a winger and with the depth the Blues have he's been stuck on the fourth line. He's actually looked pretty good but any rookie playing on the fourth line isn't going to put up good numbers.

Stewart is worth a hell of a lot more than MacArthur and Gunnarsson.

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Man these proposals are just awful, not one of them helps the Blues at all
The ones I'm seeing from Blues fans are no less ridiculous.

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Derp derp Schwartz only has a few points he must be bad.
No one is saying he's terrible. All we are saying is that we have players in our system who have size and similar skill. Schwartz is a very small forward who probably wouldn't survive in our top 6. He's not the size or type we'd want for our bottom 6 either. I think this rumor is all bs because it literally makes 0 sense for the Leafs to go after Schwartz. We don't need Cole either. We have Gards waiting in the AHL, ready to come up once we clear up a roster spot for him. As for the people asking for Berglund, we don't need him either. He'd cost too much to acquire and we have our own Joe Colborne who can play a similar style of game. No point in making a trade for the sake of making a trade.

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i can go with that.
not a huge gunnarson fan though and find him to be an average top 4 guy.

and i probably over value schwartz i guess, i just remember everytime i watched him he just seemed so smart, smooth etc. i thought he was easily the best player on his WJC team.
maybe it wont translate - havent seen him much lately.
I don't like Gunnarsson at all.. he's soft, he's slow, he has no offensive upside... I just don't see it

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Kulemin >>>>> Schwartz


Kulemin for Schwartz +

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Kulemin is excellent defensively, and can score. Convenient of you to leave out 2010-11. Gunnarson is no worse then a reliable top 4 dman. Hes arguably top 3 on many teams.

Schwartz is what, exactly?
Don't understand the need to trade Kulemin at all. He's much closer to the 30 goal winger than the 7 If a trade happened centering around Schwartz/Kule I could live with it but only if it was accompanied by a bigger deal, say Perry. Trading for yet another middling dman makes no sense at all.

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I'm confused? He'd instantly be our smallest forward?
I was being sarcastic. I don't see the Leafs targetting Schwartz. I can see them wanting Shattenkirk, Stewart, Berglund even Rattie but not Schwartz.

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I was being sarcastic. I don't see the Leafs targetting Schwartz. I can see them wanting Shattenkirk, Stewart, Berglund even Rattie but not Schwartz.
I concur.

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You would think Leaf fans of all people would understand it takes a smaller rookie time to get used to the NHL game. Schwartz is going to be a good player. I wouldn't trade him for Kulemin.

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