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Toronto and St. Louis Talking Trade? Kulemin Involved?

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03-01-2013, 08:49 PM
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Ideally I'd like to keep both Gunnar and Franson. Get rid of Liles. He's not going to have a spot in the future, specially when we're trying to make room for Gards and Rielly in the future.
Liles is far, far better than Gunnarsson. The only reason you get rid of Liles is if you need the cap space for an upgrade.

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Not as sexy as the current line of MacArthur - Kadri - Frattin.
I'm surprised you are okay with having a small arguably irresponsible guy like Kadri centering your third line.

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Liles is far, far better than Gunnarsson. The only reason you get rid of Liles is if you need the cap space for an upgrade.
Funny that an unhealthy Gunnarsson is in the line up and a healthy Liles isn't. Liles hasn't been right since his concussion, and should be moved if the right return is available. He won't be needed with Phaneuf, Gardiner, Franson and Rielly providing the offense in the near future.

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I'm surprised you are okay with having a small arguably irresponsible guy like Kadri centering your third line.
He hasn't been irresponsible this season.

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Leafs- berglund,stewert,rattie, 2nd 2013

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Schwartz isn't a center, and the people bagging on him really need to spend some time watching him play.

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03-01-2013, 08:58 PM
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I'm surprised you are okay with having a small arguably irresponsible guy like Kadri centering your third line.
Kadri is 6' 190 so not as small. He's +11 and leading the team in points with 21 in 22 games. He's also one of our most responsible forwards. Watch a few games before you comment on a player, will ya? Geez.

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I'm surprised you are okay with having a small arguably irresponsible guy like Kadri centering your third line.
We don't. We have Grabovski centering our checking line.

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He hasn't been irresponsible this season.
I said arguably. I think I'm being plenty fair.

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Schwartz isn't a center, and the people bagging on him really need to spend some time watching him play.
Even less reason to trade for him then. Leafs are stacked enough on the wings already. Can't see how Schwartz would help us at all then.

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I said arguably. I think I'm being plenty fair.
Okay, I just don't think you're going to win that argument.

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We don't. We have Grabovski centering our checking line.
You have a 3rd line center making 5.5 million? My lord.

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I said arguably. I think I'm being plenty fair.
He's been good at both ends of the ice. If you ask any fans from the NE, I would be surprised to find any arguing that fact. Schwartz on the other hand is still plenty young, needs to learn the PRO game but will come around. If given the right minutes, and opportunities he has an extremely good chance to excel as a good player. I do not think St. Louis parts with him however at this point, it is pure speculation at this point.

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I'm surprised you are okay with having a small arguably irresponsible guy like Kadri centering your third line.
Ask Emelin how small Kadri is.

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You have a 3rd line center making 5.5 million? My lord.
Yes! Sadly we can afford to do that. Unlike you lesser budget teams. In all seriousness though, his line is our most responsible defensive line (3rd line plays sheltered minutes) and play against the other teams top lines every game. Naturally the line isn't offensively gifted enough to contribute offensively and play high caliber defense at the same time. 5.5 is quite a bit but we had to pony up to keep him from going to UFA.

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Funny that an unhealthy Gunnarsson is in the line up and a healthy Liles isn't. Liles hasn't been right since his concussion, and should be moved if the right return is available. He won't be needed with Phaneuf, Gardiner, Franson and Rielly providing the offense in the near future.
Mike Kostka is in the lineup too... doesn't mean he's good. Liles was our most consistent defenceman before for some retarded reason being scratched. Him being out makes 0 sense at this point.

No he won't be needed once both Gardiner and Rielly are on the team full time, but that doesn't mean you move him now.

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I don't see a trade involving roster players between these two teams.

I think something around Liles, Holzer, Komisarek or Gunnarsson for a draft pick or prospect seems more realistic.

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Leafs just need to move out more players than they get back, simple as that. Whether it is an upgrade in quality for quantity, or taking back picks or prospects, it doesn't really matter.

I really only see futures coming back to the Leafs, no NHL ready talent.

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You have a 3rd line center making 5.5 million? My lord.
Toronto is rolling three lines at this point, the Grabovski/McClement/Kulemin line has been effective defending. In terms of bang for our buck yes Grabovski has been under-performing offensively this season.

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He hasn't been irresponsible this season.
...and he is not really part of a third line either. Not for long anyway.

This goes both way, so I'm not trying to tick anyone off, but in much of this thread it has become clear that what each fanbase knows about the other's team is hilariously close to zero.

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Leafs just need to move out more players than they get back, simple as that. Whether it is an upgrade in quality for quantity, or taking back picks or prospects, it doesn't really matter.

I really only see futures coming back to the Leafs, no NHL ready talent.
I don't see any reason why the Leafs would move roster players for futures. They're steadily building a team and are now more than likely going to be a consistent playoff team. Why would they act like a rebuilding team? They'll move assets they deem expendable for assets they think they need. The way I see it they have an over abundance of wingers and need a steady defenceman that can eat a solid 20+ minutes a game

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The point I'm trying to make is there comes a point where you have to play the hand you were dealt. Saying so and so doesn't fit and thus you have no interest is overly simplistic and ignored how difficult it is to form an NHL13 lineup.

For the record I'm a Sens fan that sees plenty of the Leafs and has Schwartz on his keeper team.

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I don't see a trade involving roster players between these two teams.

I think something around Liles, Holzer, Komisarek or Gunnarsson for a draft pick or prospect seems more realistic.
Personally I cannot see Holzer/Gunnarsson being moved at this point. Komisarek/Liles have been a healthy scratch for what 6 straight games now? Both are NHL defensemen who could easily have been played at this point. Something tells me they are being kept out for pre-cautionary trade reasons, just common speculation at this point though. Very probable that either could get dealt for a pick and/or prospect. Max Gardiner especially makes sense at this point if a soft deal is to be made.

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The point I'm trying to make is there comes a point where you have to play the hand you were dealt. Saying so and so doesn't fit and thus you have no interest is overly simplistic and ignored how difficult it is to form an NHL13 lineup.

For the record I'm a Sens fan that sees plenty of the Leafs and has Schwartz on his keeper team.
So you're saying that we should take Schwartz and then let him rot on the Marlies, hoping that an opportunity comes up? Or are you suggesting that we trade away good pieces for him and then HOPE that he becomes a high-impact 1st or 2nd line player? I'd much rather test our luck in Free Agency if we were going to try and upgrade our Wingers.

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I don't see how Kulemin improves St Louis in any way at all.

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I could see a Schwartz for Kulemin + Gunnarsson deal
Definitely makes Toronto a significantly worse team in the short term, which is a little counterintuitive with the whole playoff thing.

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