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Better player Sid Crosby or Denis Savard

View Poll Results: who was the better player
Denis Savard 11 13.25%
Sid Crosby 72 86.75%
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02-28-2013, 07:11 PM
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IMO if Crosby retired now, he'd be higher on all time lists.

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02-28-2013, 07:42 PM
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just click on the number of votes... anyone can do it!
I've been on this board for eight years, and never knew you could do that.

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02-28-2013, 08:11 PM
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The comparison might have been better if it was Crosby vs. Stastny.

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02-28-2013, 09:27 PM
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I hate to use the word asterisk because it has a stigma to it. I think in many ways we don't elevate Richard's 50-in-50 the way we normally do as it is, so yeah a 48 game season is kind of like that. However, every player is at a disadvantage. The only thing with me is that there have been plenty of times in hockey history where the player at the 48 game mark of an 82 game season who is leading the NHL in points isn't the winner at the end. I believe CzechYourMath said that so long as the player has elite seasons surrounding it then it shouldn't matter. There is always just a little bit of a "what if" for me in a shortened season. I am not taking away anything but Crosby would have led the NHL in scoring in 2011 if they only played 48 games.
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As late as February Kevin Stevens was leading the NHL in points over Gretzky and Lemieux who missed 16 games that year.


Crosby was the best player in the nhl in 2011, like he is now. And as he didn't win any awards in 2011 due to an unfortunate injury, it seems a shortened season, as often as not, could lead to a more deserving player winning awards than otherwise.

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02-28-2013, 09:40 PM
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Pretty sure Robert Lang led the NHL in scoring pretty late in the season in 2003-04 before being traded to Detroit. He has 74 points in 63 games in Washington and 5 points in 6 games with Detroit. I'm too lazy to look up how late in the season Lang led the league in scoring, but I'm pretty sure he was still in 1st as the trade deadline approached.
Given that MSL won the Ross with 94 points, and Jagr, Forsberg were nowhere to be found in the top 5, I think that's just how hockey was in 2004. Glad that's over with.

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Pretty sure Robert Lang led the NHL in scoring pretty late in the season in 2003-04 before being traded to Detroit. He has 74 points in 63 games in Washington and 5 points in 6 games with Detroit. I'm too lazy to look up how late in the season Lang led the league in scoring, but I'm pretty sure he was still in 1st as the trade deadline approached.
Lang was leading the league when he was traded; it's the only time it's ever happened so late in the season.

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03-01-2013, 12:46 AM
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Lang is probably the most unlikely leader after 40+ games.

Palffy led after 34 games in 2001.

LeClair led after 42 games and was tied after 47 games in '98.

Alfreddson led after 36 games and was tied after 48 games in 2006.

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It's obviously Crosby but I voted Savard simply because he had his own style and creativity, and in an era of Gretzky, Stastny, Lemieux etc, i think that says a lot.

But Sid's had the better career so far.

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Given that MSL won the Ross with 94 points, and Jagr, Forsberg were nowhere to be found in the top 5, I think that's just how hockey was in 2004. Glad that's over with.
That was a really lousy season for forwards though. One of the worst, if not worst, I have ever seen. Not taking anything away from St. Louis of course.

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Crosby was the best player in the nhl in 2011, like he is now. And as he didn't win any awards in 2011 due to an unfortunate injury, it seems a shortened season, as often as not, could lead to a more deserving player winning awards than otherwise.
We'll see. We don't have shortened seasons often. I just want to see Sid win more than one scoring title in his lifetime. The promise after 2007 made it seem like he could win 5 or 6 of them. Maybe he does it this year, who knows?

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03-01-2013, 10:33 PM
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Crosby's rookie season was as good as anything Savard ever brought to the table.

His rookie season.

This comparison isn't even close.

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Crosby's rookie season was as good as anything Savard ever brought to the table.

His rookie season.

This comparison isn't even close.
Well he have 2 top 3 finish in points season (one behind just lemieux/gretzky)

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Crosby's rookie season was as good as anything Savard ever brought to the table.

His rookie season.

This comparison isn't even close.
do you remember watching savard play in the 80's?

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Savard was more skilled, Sid is a better player.

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03-02-2013, 09:32 AM
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Crosby's rookie season was as good as anything Savard ever brought to the table.

His rookie season.

This comparison isn't even close.
I would personally put a couple seasons Savard had as good as Thornton's Hart year in 2006. Thornton was definitely the better player over Crosby in 2006 so I don't really see how this is true. Like someone said, Savard had a season in 1988 when only Gretzky and Lemieux eclipsed him in points. Crosby had Alfredsson and Heatley eclipse him in 2006. Staal was 2 points back. Big difference.

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