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07-20-2006, 04:05 PM
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Would you do this???

I know that Pavel Datsyuk is some kind of untouchable but what would you give for him. Let's imagine the dream to see him between Sammy and Kovy. That would be so awesome...

To Mtl: Pavel Datsyuk

To Det: David Aebischer, Michael Ryder, Sheldon Souray and Alexander Perezhogin

I know it's a lot to give and that the Wings would have to add someting but would you be ready to give that much for him???


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I know that Pavel Datsyuk is some kind of untouchable but what would you give for him. Let's imagine the dream to see him between Sammy and Kovy. That would be so awesome...

To Mtl: Pavel Datsyuk

To Det: David Aebischer, Michael Ryder, Sheldon Souray and Alexander Perezhogin

I know it's a lot to give and that the Wings would have to add someting but would you be ready to give that much for him???

Are you crazy???

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I would, Detroit wouldn't
Detroit wouldn't??? An other crazy man...

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07-20-2006, 04:11 PM
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Why do people insist on giving far too much in each "would you do this" thread?

Datsyuk is not worth more than Abby/Ryder and a 2nd or 3rd, and that is being generous.

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07-20-2006, 04:14 PM
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i think its massive overpayment on the habs behalf.
have you seen datsyuk's playoff stats? he makes bonk look like gretzky.

a package like that is VERY stupid to give up.
20+ minute d-man that's a pp specialist
a decent starting goaltender
30 goal scorer
and a dynamic rookie with huge upside

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Why do people insist on giving far too much in each "would you do this" thread?

Datsyuk is not worth more than Abby/Ryder and a 2nd or 3rd, and that is being generous.
I have to disagree here...

Datsyuk is an awesome player and we would probably have to overpay to get him. I have to admit that my proposal is a lot to give but Dats would be a perect fit on our team and the guys that would be traded are "expandables" to the team...

The fact is that Dats worth a lot more that Aebischer, Ryder and a pick...

The guy who said that Detroit wouldn't isn't crazy. That's the truth guys!!!

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07-20-2006, 04:21 PM
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I have to disagree here...

Datsyuk is an awesome player and we would probably have to overpay to get him. I have to admit that my proposal is a lot to give but Dats would be a perect fit on our team and the guys that would be traded are "expandables" to the team...

The fact is that Dats worth a lot more that Aebischer, Ryder and a pick...

The guy who said that Detroit wouldn't isn't crazy. That's the truth guys!!!



bonk: 67 playoff games, 11 goals, 15 assists, 26 points
datsyuk: 42 playoff games, 3 goals, 12 assists, 15 points


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07-20-2006, 04:24 PM
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Datsyuk is a head case, he disappears in the playoffs and is highly overrated. Until he actuallydoes something he is not worth more.

Ryder is a 30 goal winger and Aebischer is a #1, two positions the Wings absolutely need. Giving up more than that is sheer stupidity and I am glad some here are nowhere close to the GM spot.

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I have to disagree here...

Datsyuk is an awesome player and we would probably have to overpay to get him. I have to admit that my proposal is a lot to give but Dats would be a perect fit on our team and the guys that would be traded are "expandables" to the team...

The fact is that Dats worth a lot more that Aebischer, Ryder and a pick...

The guy who said that Detroit wouldn't isn't crazy. That's the truth guys!!!
What!?!?!?
Who was the last guy to score 30 in a habs uniform before Ryder? They raised this guy from the farm teams and now hes good and we should trade him because hes expandable??? How many guys scored 30 goals last year with the habs? How many in the last 5 years? 10 years? And he's doing it with Koivu and whoever is on a hot streak. And you guys would want Simon Gagne or Pavel Datsyuk instead to score 30 in montreal? We're better off with Ryder

Then, when was the last time we had a prospect with such potential as Perezhogin has?

Souray is the heart and soul of our defense

and lastly... well I agree Aebisher (sp?) is expendable

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07-20-2006, 04:27 PM
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i think its massive overpayment on the habs behalf.
have you seen datsyuk's playoff stats? he makes bonk look like gretzky.

a package like that is VERY stupid to give up.
20+ minute d-man that's a pp specialist
a decent starting goaltender
30 goal scorer
and a dynamic rookie with huge upside
Souray is good but he could be replace if we can get a center like Dats. Just think about Markov number two who is not as great as Souray but he could be a great fit on the team...

A decent starting goalie we don't really need...

A 30 goal scorer who doesn't understand the word consistency. Sometimes, we can't see him. He can be absolutlely great but also awful...

For Perez, I like him a lot but we have to give to receive. He is a great prospect but Dats is THE PERFECT FIT on the first line...

I would do it!!!

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but yet again a 5.10 168 pounds center... a smallish player... a la Ribs, Koivu, Samsonov, Perez, Kots and friends

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07-20-2006, 04:44 PM
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Perezhogin and Kostitsyn are 6' and 200 pounds+.

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No

I like Datsyuk but there are many other centers i would try to get with that package before him.

The reason i wouldn't do it is because Dats has the reputation of being invisible in the playoffs and what we really need is a warrior with grit that will perform when it counts.

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No way LOOOOOOOL

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Souray is good but he could be replace if we can get a center like Dats. Just think about Markov number two who is not as great as Souray but he could be a great fit on the team...

A decent starting goalie we don't really need...

A 30 goal scorer who doesn't understand the word consistency. Sometimes, we can't see him. He can be absolutlely great but also awful...

For Perez, I like him a lot but we have to give to receive. He is a great prospect but Dats is THE PERFECT FIT on the first line...

I would do it!!!
You're overrating Datsyuk WAY too much here. The dream scenario of Kovalev-Datsyuk-Samsonov may work in NHL 07 for PS2 but not in the real world. How can Souray be replaced? Without Emelin coming over anytime soon, there's absolutely no one in the rest of the organization who could even play close to 10 minutes a game, let alone Souray's minutes. Re-distributing Souray's minutes amongst our other d-men will pretty much require that Datsyuk have career numbers because our defence will be much worse.

Sure, Ryder is inconsistent, but he's still a proven 30-goal scorer whether any of us want to admit it or not. Bringing in Datsyuk for Ryder and others would mean you would have to replace over 50 goals with one player...that makes absolutely no sense.

I agree that Ryder and Aebischer and a pick would be worth talking about.

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07-20-2006, 04:46 PM
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Souray is good but he could be replace if we can get a center like Dats. Just think about Markov number two who is not as great as Souray but he could be a great fit on the team...
who would we replace souray with? there aren't many 15 goal scoring d-man that log 20+ minutes while adding leadership and grit to a lineup.

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A decent starting goalie we don't really need...
you're undervaluing the worth of a guy that make less than 2 million and has better numbers than giguere and nabokov. we need aebischer to battle with huet, he's a great insurance policy if something goes wrong...as i'm not sold on yann danis yet. i'd rather have the veteran presence of aebischer.

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A 30 goal scorer who doesn't understand the word consistency. Sometimes, we can't see him. He can be absolutlely great but also awful...
ryder played with a herniated disc all of last season, in the prior season he notched 60 + points while playing with pierre dagenais.

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For Perez, I like him a lot but we have to give to receive. He is a great prospect but Dats is THE PERFECT FIT on the first line...
seems like the habs are the only ones giving.
we lose a 1st line winger, a top 3 d-man, a reliable backup goaltender and a 3rd line prospect that will play on the first two lines in a year or so...
so we can have a non-playoff performer? a guy who plays with the likes of shanahan, zetterberg, yzerman and lidstrom and tallies a putrid 3 goals in 42 playoff games?

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Perezhogin and Kostitsyn are 6' and 200 pounds+.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php3?pid=56797

Alexander Perezhogin Right Wing
Born Aug 10 1983 -- Ust-Kamenogorsk, Kazachstan
Height 5.09 -- Weight 168

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Although it is refreshing to see a proposal where it's the Habs that gets bent over a barrel, it's a bit of an overpayment for a one-year rental.

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http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php3?pid=56797

Alexander Perezhogin Right Wing
Born Aug 10 1983 -- Ust-Kamenogorsk, Kazachstan
Height 5.09 -- Weight 168

That can't be true, I've seen Perez in person and he wasn't taller than 5.00' ft.

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That can't be true, I've seen Perez in person and he wasn't taller than 5.00' ft.
you're kidding right?

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Datsyuk is not worth more than Abby/Ryder and a 2nd or 3rd, and that is being generous.[/QUOTE]


Completly agree.


The guy hasn't scored in the playoffs in years.

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Personally I'd take Gomez over Datsyuk in a heartbeat

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Datsyuk is not worth more than Abby/Ryder and a 2nd or 3rd, and that is being generous.

Completly agree.


The guy hasn't scored in the playoffs in years.[/QUOTE]

lol, you're right....
he didn't score in the 05-06, 03-04 and 02-03 playoffs for the wings. 0 goals in 21+ games, that's some drought.

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I only need to add :

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I know that Pavel Datsyuk is some kind of untouchable
Hardly

A lot of Wings fans were ready to ship him out after his poor performence against the Oilers in the playoffs.

The guy may be spectacular and may have good stats in the regular season but he also has his flaws.

I seriously doubt that Detroit will re sign him next year as he's probably going to ask for 5 or 6 millions.Not worth it imo

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http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php3?pid=56797

Alexander Perezhogin Right Wing
Born Aug 10 1983 -- Ust-Kamenogorsk, Kazachstan
Height 5.09 -- Weight 168
http://canadiens.com/fre/team/redire...playerID=29450
Taille: 5' 11"
Poids: 185

not all that big, but much bigger than your numbers... they're outdated

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