Well Jiri Tlusty's 10 goals is 2.5 X more than Phil Kessel's 4.
Is this a reflection of how well he is performing this year in comparison to our intended best goal scorer?
He would be 2nd on the Leafs behind only JVR with 12 and is currently tied for 9th overall in NHL goal scoring.
If he were still a Leaf and had 10 goals in 20 games I suspect Leaf fans would be pretty happy with those numbers. Vice Versa I'm sure Canes fans are pleased that they got him for a minor league player/prospect in Paradis. Making it a pretty lopsided deal from their standpoint. Tlusty is only 24 years old so perhaps we're seeing his coming out party as he continues to develop.
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It's still a logistics problem. Who would you bump from the lineup? The only person I could see an argument for would maybe be Kulemin, and I'd rather have his defensive game. We have quite nice depth in scoring wingers.
If you already had Tlusty maybe you would have traded Schenn for a center?
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using his big frame to create space and his skating ability to find open lanes to drive the net. He stands 6-3 and is a natural goal scorer with plenty of confidence.
He's a scout's dream in the way he prepares himself and plays an unselfish game, making smart decisions with the puck. With his bloodlines, he certainly understands what it will take to make it at the next level.
Well Jiri Tlusty's 10 goals is 2.5 X more than Phil Kessel's 4.
Is this a reflection of how well he is performing this year in comparison to our intended best goal scorer?
He would be 2nd on the Leafs behind only JVR with 12 and is currently tied for 9th overall in NHL goal scoring.
If he were still a Leaf and had 10 goals in 20 games I suspect Leaf fans would be pretty happy with those numbers. Vice Versa I'm sure Canes fans are pleased that they got him for a minor league player/prospect in Paradis. Making it a pretty lopsided deal from their standpoint. Tlusty is only 24 years old so perhaps we're seeing his coming out party as he continues to develop.
No he wouldn't. We don't have Eric Staal. If he were here he'd be on the 3rd line at best.
It's not like Tlusty is a passenger on his line. Yes he is playing with two very skilled players, but when Larose got moved to that line, it died. Tlusty is certainly pulling his weight. He is not the type of player to anchor a line, but he assuredly deserves more credit than he has been given in this thread.
i actually did question why we moved him so soon, he was only 21 and haven't heard of anyone being a bust at the age of 21 (except for kadri that is).
however he did look pretty bad while as a leaf, some of that may of been attributed to his develop at that point, but having a bad team during his years in on the roster certainly didn't help either.
glad he is doing well but most leafs fans probably don't miss him.
For all the people responding to me about Stalberg...Tbh, I don't give a rats ass about him. He played on the 1st line here for half of his rookie season and was pretty bad. All speed no finish.
Over the years we have thrown away a lot of good first rounders for chump change.This was a knee jerk reaction from Burke and a bad one.If he didnt draft the guy,he is no good.
I don't want to get into a "Tlusty could be this or could be that" discussion, as you never know how a guy will turn out in a different situation (unless he's a dominant player to begin with). A couple of comments on Tlusty though. His first two seasons with Carolina he was hampered by injuries, so part of the reason he didn't get much of a chance, is because he wasn't really healthy, where-as last season he was.
His value to that top line really isn't scoring, that's just a nice bonus. He does all the things (first in on the forecheck, back-checks well, defensively responsible, digs the puck out along the boards, frequently the 3rd forward high, etc ..) that allows Semin and Staal to have a little more freedom offensively. He also has very good hockey sense and puts himself in the right spot more often then not which leads to scoring chances. His skill level is decent as well.
IMO, he'll never be a guy to carry a line or be viewed as a top threat by another team, but he's a solid complementary player who does a lot of things well and understands his role. Hopefully he can keep it up as we saw him do this at the end of last season and so far this season, but he'll need to do it consistently.
Not many 1st rounders get traded for chump change as early as Tlusty especially after injury.
This is a reach somewhat...Tlusty was highly skilled and was playing with men at an early age and looked good. When a higher skilled player plays with better competition, they can tend to simplify their game to eliminate mistakes. This can add to late being a late bloomer ALONG with his major injury, coming over to a new team and country/ style of living.
IMO this the exact kind of enviroment that produces/ adds to delaying someones ceiling from being hit earlier in their careeer/ late bloomers. Management messed up and gave up WAY to early.
This was a bum deal the day it happened and always will be...
I don't want to get into a "Tlusty could be this or could be that" discussion, as you never know how a guy will turn out in a different situation (unless he's a dominant player to begin with). A couple of comments on Tlusty though. His first two seasons with Carolina he was hampered by injuries, so part of the reason he didn't get much of a chance, is because he wasn't really healthy, where-as last season he was.
His value to that top line really isn't scoring, that's just a nice bonus. He does all the things (first in on the forecheck, back-checks well, defensively responsible, digs the puck out along the boards, frequently the 3rd forward high, etc ..) that allows Semin and Staal to have a little more freedom offensively. He also has very good hockey sense and puts himself in the right spot more often then not which leads to scoring chances. His skill level is decent as well.
IMO, he'll never be a guy to carry a line or be viewed as a top threat by another team, but he's a solid complementary player who does a lot of things well and understands his role. Hopefully he can keep it up as we saw him do this at the end of last season and so far this season, but he'll need to do it consistently.
That sounds like a pretty fair assessment of Tlusty's contributions. Valuable to the Canes and to the top-line, but not somebody that a struggling team would want to trade for. For instance, Columbus would still be a complete mess if they acquired Tlusty. But good for him for contributing, and good luck to him.
Leafs sent him packing rather early, but it's not a major loss. His presence wouldn't have changed any of the outcomes from the past couple seasons, and I honestly don't peg him as a guy that could have potentially helped us all that much moving forward. I'm not going to straight up say that Mac and Kule and Frattin and others are inherently "better" than Tlusty, but they definitely occupy the roster-spot that Tlusty would need. Of course, if we kept him all these years we likely would have constructed the lineup slightly differently (maybe we wouldn't have signed MacA, for example), so it's hard to judge.
I actually think a relatively fair comparison for Tlusty's career path is Benoit Pouliot. High draft picks...bounced from AHL to NHL...career high's are in the 30 point region but this season is a breakout (Pouliot has similar production to Tlusty this year)...both were "given up on" by their original clubs....both are decent complementary pieces but are no longer considered to have the potential to lead their clubs. Pretty similar if you ask me.
Never quite understood how tlusty struggled so much for so long. the kud had as complete a skillset as you could want, and the minor league track record that clearly indicated nhl scoring potential.
i was alwats confused by his early failures.
as for the trade, that was always pathetic...paradis didn't even have the skills to be a good minor leaguer, let alone nhler. just an ugly ugly trade.
Good point, let's trade Tlusty for Kessel straight up.
Hard to argue that Kessel has been better than Tlusty.
Since they are tied for points and Tlusty is miles ahead of Kessel defensively.
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Same level of clairvoyance that indicates Tlusty would be putting up the same performance here, I guess.
No...because as reality proved, Tlusty is a great two-way player and is capable of playing first line minutes. Suggesting that he would have failed with another team is fictional make-believe...because that is not what happened to him. He didn't fail, he succeeded...and wouldn't you know it...the player he is today is the same one we heard he'd be when he got drafted...from our scouts and from EJ McGuire. What do they know compared to some bitter Leafs fans on the internet who'd rather trash him than admit that Burke pissed away a great player for nothing.
Tlusty is good but like the poster said earlier you win and lose some. As long as you win more than you lose then your doing well.
Percy will be a good one so lets see how it goes
Probably would not be fair value since Tlusty doesn't have the laurels that Kessel has. So far this year, Kessel has sucked and Tlusty has been good.
Maybe if this continues for another season or so that would be fair value but right now that'd be a risky trade IMO
Nah, I'm hearing with great confidence from this small sample size that he makes things happen on his line, is a stalwart defensively, and is definitely a late bloomer just starting to blossom, so I'd say it's a can't miss. The only question mark is his FO%, but he's still won one of seventeen this year and won three of eleven last year, so that's just an area ripe for improvement. He'd probably be perfect as our #1C, and he's certainly an upgrade over JVR and Kessel on the wings even if we did have to move him to the wing.
Nah, I'm hearing with great confidence from this small sample size that he makes things happen on his line, is a stalwart defensively, and is definitely a late bloomer just starting to blossom, so I'd say it's a can't miss. The only question mark is his FO%, but he's still won one of seventeen this year and won three of eleven last year, so that's just an area ripe for improvement. He'd probably be perfect as our #1C, and he's certainly an upgrade over JVR and Kessel on the wings even if we did have to move him to the wing.
Carolina isn't going to let him play center for obvious reasons.
There's no point in paying retail price for Tlusty now because he's just like any other player...the difference being our GM sold him for nothing.
The only reason you want him back on the team is because you have buyer's remorse.
Hated this trade the day it happened, as Tlusty was one of our core prospects at the time. This was just a typical "trade the Euro trash for a North America" Brian Burke mindless trade. He did the same schtick in Anaheim with his anti-Euro bias.
No was literally zero reason to trade a 21 year old 1st rounder for scraps. Zero.
