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03-02-2013, 08:59 PM
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The team was pretty bad tonight. Price wasn't great, but he was hardly the reason we lost. He still hasn't stolen a game though.
The craziest post I have ever read at HF. Score 6, goalie lets in 7 and Price wasn't the reason we lost? I hope that's sarcasm.

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I am a big fan of price, but he just wasnt in it after the weird bounce off of emelin's skate. I think MT should have pull him though, he had an off night, and you have to just get him out of there and let him forget about it.

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Bad game tonight bad game against T Bay bad one against TO bad is bad and unfortunatly there have been some REALLY bad ones moreso than really GOOD ones.

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Find some examples in the past 30 years of a goalie landing his team "some amazing player".
I assume you don't want to admit that Price would have gotten us a better return that Halak back then. I think you are wrong.

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why not give him a season or two before sharpening and brandishing the pitch forks?
I'm actually going to give him way more than that based on the fact that it does take goalies longer to develop. I'm just not in the camp of people who thinks he's ALREADY franchise. I think he's a very good goalie with PROJECTIONS of being a great one and maybe a franchise one. But in this NHL, to be franchise and great, you need to be great in all areas. He still needs to work on his glove side. He still needs to work on his shootout skills. He still needs to stop overcommitting. He can work on that, he's still young for a goalie. But I personnally believe he's not there yet contrary to everybody else who already sees him being the #1 for Canada. To which I respond that he might very well be....but mostly due to a rather ordinairy pool of canadian goalies.

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lol, 1 stinker = not elite.

I guess no goaltender in the history of life should be considered elite. I mean, even the mighty Patrick Roy once allowed 9 goals.
Luongo has countless bad games and a recent 8 spot, yet the world still thinks he is top goalie.

Quick has given up 5 this year, Brodeur has spotted a couple 5 goal games.

Rinne put up a 5 goal game.

These things happen. People need to stop micro analyzing every game and realize its every goalie who has a game or two like this already this year.

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This great "tied for first in the east" syndrom. Don't look....but Philly who has been a joke this year is 7 points behind us in 8th place. I just love when people use this "we're 1st" as if we are 30 points ahead of everybody....

We've been pretty good. Price has been pretty good so far. But tonight he was incredibly bad. Yet...we can't say that unless we're going to be told...."but he was great before"....Yes he was...but he was bad tonight! Geez just accept it....
I said he had a ****** game didn't I? He was not good tonight but I'm not going to throw him under the bus.

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You score 6 and you lose, yes the goalie is the reason you lost his job is to stop the freakin puck tonight Price was garbage and have been mediocre in the last 4 games put Budaj tomorrow even if we lose.

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Bad game tonight bad game against T Bay bad one against TO bad is bad and unfortunatly there have been some REALLY bad ones moreso than really GOOD ones.
my god. a guy who went into the night with a sub 2 GAA, has had more really bad games then really good ones. clueless is clueless

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I said he had a ****** game didn't I? He was not good tonight but I'm not going to throw him under the bus.
And I keep repeating that he's a very good goalie that was very bad tonight....So how's that a ****** analysis???? He has to work on his glove...how's that not a reality? Does it make him a André Racicot clone? Obviously no and I'd love to see where I said that.

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This great "tied for first in the east" syndrom. Don't look....but Philly who has been a joke this year is 7 points behind us in 8th place. I just love when people use this "we're 1st" as if we are 30 points ahead of everybody....

We've been pretty good. Price has been pretty good so far. But tonight he was incredibly bad. Yet...we can't say that unless we're going to be told...."but he was great before"....Yes he was...but he was bad tonight! Geez just accept it....
Nobody's arguing that Price wasn't bad tonight. There are quite a few people in this thread, though, who were nowhere to be found up to this point in the season when Price had a 1.90 GAA and .924 save percentage; this game happens, and boom! Here they are to harp on and on about how Price is a piece of garbage who should be traded for scraps, Halak shouldn't have been traded, etc. Of course, they do so in very broken English...

If Carey Price's name was Charles-Antoine Proulx, he wouldn't have NEARLY as many detractors as he has here.

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This great "tied for first in the east" syndrom. Don't look....but Philly who has been a joke this year is 7 points behind us in 8th place. I just love when people use this "we're 1st" as if we are 30 points ahead of everybody....

We've been pretty good. Price has been pretty good so far. But tonight he was incredibly bad. Yet...we can't say that unless we're going to be told...."but he was great before"....Yes he was...but he was bad tonight! Geez just accept it....
Does it make you feel better after posting stuff like this?

I hope so. Because you are going to have the best night ever.

Get over it. Its one game and we got a point out of it.

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This great "tied for first in the east" syndrom. Don't look....but Philly who has been a joke this year is 7 points behind us in 8th place. I just love when people use this "we're 1st" as if we are 30 points ahead of everybody....
I've been waiting for us to drop off a cliff... it hasn't happened. I think we're for real. Maybe not a 1st place team but at least a solid playoff team. It's more than I expected anyway.
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We've been pretty good. Price has been pretty good so far. But tonight he was incredibly bad. Yet...we can't say that unless we're going to be told...."but he was great before"....Yes he was...but he was bad tonight! Geez just accept it....
Acceptance is the final stage of grief... it may take a while for us to admit it. But Price was bad.
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I'm actually going to give him way more than that based on the fact that it does take goalies longer to develop. I'm just not in the camp of people who thinks he's ALREADY franchise. I think he's a very good goalie with PROJECTIONS of being a great one and maybe a franchise one. But in this NHL, to be franchise and great, you need to be great in all areas. He still needs to work on his glove side. He still needs to work on his shootout skills. He still needs to stop overcommitting. He can work on that, he's still young for a goalie. But I personnally believe he's not there yet contrary to everybody else who already sees him being the #1 for Canada. To which I respond that he might very well be....but mostly due to a rather ordinairy pool of canadian goalies.
I don't see how you can argue that he's not already a franchise goalie. Who's better? There are very few - if any.

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03-02-2013, 09:16 PM
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Price is the reason we're not in 1st anymore... we should have kept Halak.

In fact, we should have drafted Kopitar instead back in 05. Fire Timmins too.

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I'm actually going to give him way more than that based on the fact that it does take goalies longer to develop. I'm just not in the camp of people who thinks he's ALREADY franchise. I think he's a very good goalie with PROJECTIONS of being a great one and maybe a franchise one. But in this NHL, to be franchise and great, you need to be great in all areas. He still needs to work on his glove side. He still needs to work on his shootout skills. He still needs to stop overcommitting. He can work on that, he's still young for a goalie. But I personnally believe he's not there yet contrary to everybody else who already sees him being the #1 for Canada. To which I respond that he might very well be....but mostly due to a rather ordinairy pool of canadian goalies.
I agree 100% couldn't say it better!

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I'm actually going to give him way more than that based on the fact that it does take goalies longer to develop. I'm just not in the camp of people who thinks he's ALREADY franchise. I think he's a very good goalie with PROJECTIONS of being a great one and maybe a franchise one. But in this NHL, to be franchise and great, you need to be great in all areas. He still needs to work on his glove side. He still needs to work on his shootout skills. He still needs to stop overcommitting. He can work on that, he's still young for a goalie. But I personnally believe he's not there yet contrary to everybody else who already sees him being the #1 for Canada. To which I respond that he might very well be....but mostly due to a rather ordinairy pool of canadian goalies.
too much semantics...

what is a "franchise" goalie then?

Rinne? with his 13-15 record in 28 career post-season games? (contrast that with a 146-78 record in the regular season)

Lundqvist? 25-30 in 55 playoff games... compared to 260-162 in the regular season

Quick has a nice looking 20-12 playoff record... but it was 4-8 before last year's cup run. Is he a "franchise" goalie ahead of those two b/c of one great playoff run?


and if the definition of "franchise" goalie is simply winning a cup, like Niemi/Khabibulin/Giguere/Fleury/osgood... then screw it, I'll take our "very good goalie" and be quite happy to let Edmonton/SJ/Colorado/Pitts thump their chest proudly because they have a "franchise" goalie.

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I don't see how you can argue that he's not already a franchise goalie. Who's better? There are very few - if any.
you can't really... because no goalie in the league who hasn't won a cup would actually stand up to the litmus test, while many clearly less talented goalies with cup rings would.

not unlike trying to argue that Trent Dilfer was a "franchise QB" while Dan Marino wasn't... Dilfer has the ring to prove it mind you

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Everybody has bad games. Period. Thank God St. Patrick never let in more than....nine
Yep, that is correct.

Great goalies can have bad games. Good ones too. Bad ones too.

I guess every goalie can have a bad game, so what's this point you're trying to make ? That Price is comparable with Roy ? You know, when Price is nominated for any type of award at the NHL level or wins a cup you can bring up the Roy comparison again but until then... I think that's just silly personally. Price isn't in the same stratosphere as Roy, and is quite unlikely to ever be.

And I'm not going to pile on Price tonight, he had a terrible game. Contrarily to most, I haven't been wowed by him this season, but there's a lot of hockey to be played still. I'm also looking forward to the playoffs. There were always excuses in the past. This year the team is playing some pretty damn solid hockey in front of him, scoring goals and preventing shots and chances. We'll see what he's really made of pretty soon.

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This great "tied for first in the east" syndrom. Don't look....but Philly who has been a joke this year is 7 points behind us in 8th place. I just love when people use this "we're 1st" as if we are 30 points ahead of everybody....

We've been pretty good. Price has been pretty good so far. But tonight he was incredibly bad. Yet...we can't say that unless we're going to be told...."but he was great before"....Yes he was...but he was bad tonight! Geez just accept it....
WS you are clearly one of the most respected posters here, and rightly so. And I think a lot of the friction you're currently experiencing is from people sick of being inundated by ignorant posters who ONLY post in order to spread their own vile brand of vitriol.

Tonight, Price was shellshocked. One softie, 3 blind screeners, 2 over reactions and a partridge in a pear tree. Horrible game by Price. Bad play, bad luck, bad support.

I believe he's proven he wins and has excelled at every level of hockey he's played. But in the NHL, he has no hardware, no records, no cups. In many minds this disqualifies him from being considered elite. Okay. For arguments sake I'll agree, although I think a case could be made otherwise.

What will it take for him to become elite? He has the athleticism, the skill, the drive to win, and the mental strength to shake off bad goals and bad games.



Ignoring the obvious addition of a superlative team around him, could it be only a matter of changing his training regimen and more importantly, coaching?

His hybrid style seems to focus on positioning more than athleticism. My question to you is does he need a new coach to get to the highest level? I'm not certain, but I believe it is a valid argument.


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Look at the bright side fellows- Carey made the game memorable, tense, and thrilling.

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Yep, that is correct.

Great goalies can have bad games. Good ones too. Bad ones too.

I guess every goalie can have a bad game, so what's this point you're trying to make ? That Price is comparable with Roy ? You know, when Price is nominated for any type of award at the NHL level or wins a cup you can bring up the Roy comparison again but until then... I think that's just silly personally. Price isn't in the same stratosphere as Roy, and is quite unlikely to ever be.

And I'm not going to pile on Price tonight, he had a terrible game. Contrarily to most, I haven't been wowed by him this season, but there's a lot of hockey to be played still. I'm also looking forward to the playoffs. There were always excuses in the past. This year the team is playing some pretty damn solid hockey in front of him, scoring goals and preventing shots and chances. We'll see what he's really made of pretty soon.
Well to be fair, his post was in response to another poster who stated that Price wasn't elite because he had a stinker game. Well newsflash to this idiot: every ****ing goalie has bad games. I am 99% certain I can just pick any HOF goalie (or any other) at random and find a bad game of his.

But yes, he was terrible tonight, there's no denying that. Nevertheless, even with that stinker, he's still 11th in GAA.

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Yep, that is correct.

Great goalies can have bad games. Good ones too. Bad ones too.

I guess every goalie can have a bad game, so what's this point you're trying to make ? That Price is comparable with Roy ? You know, when Price is nominated for any type of award at the NHL level or wins a cup you can bring up the Roy comparison again but until then... I think that's just silly personally. Price isn't in the same stratosphere as Roy, and is quite unlikely to ever be.

And I'm not going to pile on Price tonight, he had a terrible game. Contrarily to most, I haven't been wowed by him this season, but there's a lot of hockey to be played still. I'm also looking forward to the playoffs. There were always excuses in the past. This year the team is playing some pretty damn solid hockey in front of him, scoring goals and preventing shots and chances. We'll see what he's really made of pretty soon.
You're right of course, but I was only responding to a post that suggested allowing 7 goals automatically removes one from elite status. In that sense, which I specifically replied to, it is perfectly accurate.

I too think he has been very, very good this year, but I believe he is being hamstrung by his ever changing style. It is effective, but not foolproof and I believe it sacrifices too much of his athleticism for body position.

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You're right of course, but I was only responding to a post that suggested allowing 7 goals automatically removes one from elite status. In that sense, which I specifically replied to, it is perfectly accurate.
My apologies.

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once again? my god, he was poor tonight but saying "once again" shows your true motives. Show up when Price plays poor. Congrats.
It's not just because he let 7 goal in that it is is first bad game. come on people. Price had a bag game vs Ottawa and Toronto, but it showed less cause our defense played better. The teams didn't let Price a lot of chance to look bad this season, few NHL goalie would of looked bad this year behind them

I said it in the past and I'm gonna say it again, when our defense play good, Price look good. When they don't he don't. Like Huet, like Halak. Price is a good goaler, but far from a franchise goaler.

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It's not just because he let 7 goal in that it is is first bad game. come on people. Price had a bag game vs Ottawa and Toronto, but it showed less cause our defense played better. The teams didn't let Price a lot of chance to look bad this season, few NHL goalie would of looked bad this year behind them

I said it in the past and I'm gonna say it again, when our defense play good, Price look good. When they don't he don't. Like Huet, like Halak. Price is a good goaler, but far from a franchise goaler.
do you watch many games aside from the habs?

name me the goalie who consistently looks good when his defense plays poorly???


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