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03-03-2013, 12:36 AM
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He's a right handed teacher's pet. No.

I find it weird that with all the success Kadri is finally having that they've decided to bury another super talented kid in the minors over some ****** little technicality about waivers.
He'll get his shot, probably when Liles or Komi are moved. No worries, Gardiner is not setting the AHL on fire this year. It's probably good for him to get some Eakins time. He may even be better for it in the long run.

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I'm just not sure what Carlyle objects to in Gardiner so much to keep him toiling away. I guess he's not lunch pail enough for him with his effortless skating, fancy stickhandling and generally un-blue collar ways to warrant being sat out in favour of a couple of right handed dmen like Kostka and Holzer. It's baffling he isn't getting some guaranteed playing time ahead of Gunnarsson and Fraser.
I'm also trying to figure out what Carlyle's mindset is.

At first I thought maybe he likes his defense to be tough who are willing to drop the gloves, protect their goalie/crease, etc. and Gardiner isn't that type of player... however on the other hand he favours Gunnarsson in the lineup (btw, soft as butter) over Komi so that theory doesn't really make sense to me either...

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picture this though
Phaneuf - Gardiner
Frasor - Holzer
Two leftys. Won't happen.

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I'm also trying to figure out what Carlyle's mindset is.

At first I thought maybe he likes his defense to be tough who are willing to drop the gloves, protect their goalie/crease, etc. and Gardiner isn't that type of player... however on the other hand he favours Gunnarsson in the lineup (btw, soft as butter) over Komi so that theory doesn't really make sense to me either...
He prefers defensemen playing their strong hand. So Phaneuf, Gunnar, Liles, Fraser and Gardiner are competing for 3 spots and Holzer, Kostka, Franson and Komisarek are competing for 3 spots.

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03-03-2013, 01:07 AM
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He would have to clear waivers. Holzer makes the most sense unless they can open up the roster spot via trade of either Komisarek or Liles.

If not, Holzer deserves to be sent down. He's been brutal.

I'd personally like to see Gunnar paired back with Dion and then some combination of Gardiner/Franson/Frasor/Kostka.

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Perhaps all that time he spent in the minors helped him be the player he is now?
Yeah but Gards excelled without AHL time...

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He'll get his shot, probably when Liles or Komi are moved. No worries, Gardiner is not setting the AHL on fire this year. It's probably good for him to get some Eakins time. He may even be better for it in the long run.
I think it's just wasting ELC time on needless development. Gardiner looks bored in the AHL, and whatever he needs to learn should be happening in the league he's already excelled in to a large extent. The guy is just toying with guys down there.

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The reason there taking there time with Gardiner is because after he pays 3 NHL games he must go through waivers. so if they call him up and hes not ready, hes stuck.

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He would have to clear waivers. Holzer makes the most sense unless they can open up the roster spot via trade of either Komisarek or Liles.

If not, Holzer deserves to be sent down. He's been brutal.

I'd personally like to see Gunnar paired back with Dion and then some combination of Gardiner/Franson/Frasor/Kostka.
Gunnar might be still hurting hence he's not there yet. It's been told that he'll be hurting most of the season.
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Yeah but Gards excelled without AHL time...
That maybe so but he still could improve his defensive game.

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Kostka is subject to waivers. Gardiner's had a good last two games but still needs to show a bit more consistency before I'd say he's ready to come up. Personally, I pass

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Send down Holzer instead.

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"Kostka's subject to waivers".

So what are we losing here?

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He's a right handed teacher's pet. No.

I find it weird that with all the success Kadri is finally having that they've decided to bury another super talented kid in the minors over some ****** little technicality about waivers.
If anything, Kadri's success is a perfect example that time spent with the Marlies isn't wasted.

Kadri came into camp absolutely petrified he would be cut. Gardiner thought he had a spot gift-wrapped and waiting for him. A little hard love will do wonders for him.

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03-03-2013, 02:31 AM
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Gunnar might be still hurting hence he's not there yet. It's been told that he'll be hurting most of the season.
A 90% Gunnarson is still way better than Holzer or Kostka.

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If anything, Kadri's success is a perfect example that time spent with the Marlies isn't wasted.

Kadri came into camp absolutely petrified he would be cut. Gardiner thought he had a spot gift-wrapped and waiting for him. A little hard love will do wonders for him.
Well, yeah... because Gardiner earned it. He came into camp last year and blew everyone away, earned the spot and went to have a very solid rookie season. What else should he have to do to earn a roster spot?

If he never had the concussion, he would have broke camp with the team.

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Well, yeah... because Gardiner earned it. He came into camp last year and blew everyone away, earned the spot and went to have a very solid rookie season. If he never had the concussion, he would have broke camp with the team.
A 21 year old hockey player shouldn't have that sense of entitlement. Especially coming back from a concussion.

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03-03-2013, 02:49 AM
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Honestly, our 6 dmen are playing too well to demote or bench. Or at least not poor enough to rush Gardiner right back in at the moment. Yes that includes Kostka he has still been doing most of the little things really well and looks very poised and calm out there in tough situations. A dip in form or injury will happen any game now and then Gardiner will force their hand.

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Looks like Gards is staying in the AHL this season. I saw him in a post game interview a while back. Maybe it was just fatigue, but he didn't seem all quite there. His responses to the questions were really slow and drawn out.

I don't think he's over his concussion woes yet. Our D is looking pretty good at the moment, so let's not add another player into the mix. Let's not forget, we also have Liles and Komi sitting in the press box right now.

If he stays in the AHL this season, he stays in the AHL this season. Yes he did very well during the 2nd half last season, but there's always things for young players to work on. We didn't rush Kadri, and it's paying dividends right now, BIG TIME. Gardiner's still very young, and it takes defensemen longer to mature than forwards, so let's not be impatient (as us leafs fans usually are). He'll be back on the team when he's good and ready (and when they've finally sorted out this backlog we have on D).

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The guy is playing pretty darn good. If it ain't broke don't fix it, right?

Last game the tv commentator said phaneuf and kostka are the only players in the NHL to play over 700 shifts so far this season (or something along those lines). He ain't going anywhere anytime soon.

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i find it odd that the 2nd pairing guys are more vulnerable than the 3rd pairing guys
why ?the team is winning and blame burke for the dead weight hes carrying in the press box.
whats gardiner gonna do any better than what already is being sone?he ll get his chance

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Kostka is under appreciated ,IDK why. Extremely cheap good reliable defender and people want to run him out of town.

Besides,doesn't Carlyle like having righties and lefties playing together on defence? The only guy you can send down is Holzer I believe but he's right handed while Gardiner is left handed.

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03-03-2013, 07:12 AM
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Kostka is under appreciated ,IDK why. Extremely cheap good reliable defender and people want to run him out of town.

Besides,doesn't Carlyle like having righties and lefties playing together on defence? The only guy you can send down is Holzer I believe but he's right handed while Gardiner is left handed.
See the biggest reason Kostka is able to stick is due to his quick sense of seeing the ice very well or vision. However in the other aspects he's quite lacking, he's ideally a number 6 guy who can hold the fort due to this however for a team that needs more form the back end. He's isn't the one we require, nor is Holzer, who ideally would be playing together with Kostka as the bottom pairing, two-way ish and steady rough d-men.

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Why do we have to bring up gardiner?

Is letting him play guaranteed top D minutes that bad in the marlies? The pace is slower and he can work on more aspects of his game such as his shot. Eakins is a great coach and when management thinks gards can't develop any further in the AHL, they'll make room for him.

All these "call up gards,call up gards" posts are getting old.

Our leafs D core right now is winning. Let them keep winning

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See the biggest reason Kostka is able to stick is due to his quick sense of seeing the ice very well or vision. However in the other aspects he's quite lacking, he's ideally a number 6 guy who can hold the fort due to this however for a team that needs more form the back end. He's isn't the one we require, nor is Holzer, who ideally would be playing together with Kostka as the bottom pairing, two-way ish and steady rough d-men.
Yep, agree, whatever Kostka lacks in talent, he makes up in smarts. Quick assessment of situations, reads, and movement of the puck. He also has a low panic threshold that serves him well. Completely opposite of Komi. Nothing wrong with Kostka, Gardiner plays a dangerous game right now, but he's flashy so fans think this is a positive. It's not a positive now, it may have been under Ron and Gun, bit thankfully we have a real NHL coach these days.

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03-03-2013, 09:16 AM
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Kostka sucks. Decision making is painfully slow and unnecessarily complicated.

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We don't need to send Kostka down to bring up Gardiner.

Holzer is not subject to waivers and he's been god awful the last 3-4 games...screening his goalie, trying to deflect the puck in his own net...reminds me of Luke Schenn last year.

Nazem Kadri is up, so we need to send another kid to suffer in the Marlies, that's how it works.

I wonder how long Morgan Rielly will have to wait?

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