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03-02-2013, 09:10 PM
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Thanks for burying one.... Next game please bury 2

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03-02-2013, 09:13 PM
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He was probably tired. After all, it was after 60 minutes.

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D D had a good game , and that goal in o.t. Most definately wasn't his fault.

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I don't like manlets but Desharnais is playing some good hockey lately. You can't blame this loss on DD.

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03-02-2013, 09:17 PM
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D D had a good game , and that goal in o.t. Most definately wasn't his fault.
pretty much sums the answer. pack it up and close it down.

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03-02-2013, 09:21 PM
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There was at least one Pen behind him. Pointless hate.

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03-02-2013, 09:23 PM
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Yes, he's below average defensively. But that's not why he's here. He did more good than bad, as usual.

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i hope you notice there were 2 penguin defense behind him and montreal had 3 players back (subban, gorges, max pac) against 2 penguin players.
I don't care how many players were behind him you don't glide in OT.....

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03-02-2013, 09:43 PM
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I don't care how many players were behind him you don't glide in OT.....
Okay, let's say he hustles back, covers a man that is already covered, his guy glides into the zone and has a wide open shot anyway.

He had his man, that goal isn't on him. Patch made a "WTF" play and Price let in his 7th goal.

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D D had a good game , and that goal in o.t. Most definately wasn't his fault.
Yes actually not backchecking in OT 4 on 4...I do put lots of blame on him

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03-02-2013, 09:45 PM
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Almost every time the Habs lose a game , this thread is coming back...


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03-02-2013, 09:49 PM
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Almost every time the Habs lose a game , this thread is coming back...

cause you know, the OT goal was his fault, not Pacioretty taking after Hal Gill and failing.

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Why are so many Hab fans obsessed with hating one of their own players at all times?

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Wasn't great, wasn't bad. Doesn't deserve to be blamed for the last goal. Nothing to see here.

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Why does Therrien believe that DD is a great 4 on 4 player?

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Wasn't great, wasn't bad. Doesn't deserve to be blamed for the last goal. Nothing to see here.
Why not keep that in the pgt thread instead of this thread which is basically a DD bashing thread ?

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First, even if i really dislike Desharnais.....last goal wasn't really his fault...at 4 on 4 you create a box and you can't leave the D alone back there.

But...(always a but)

Although he played well lately (and he did play well) ...the upside are not worth the downside for me. Here's some numbers for all of you who think i blindly pointing at DD :

The Habs allowed only 24 goals at even strenght.
Best in the league!!

But does it bother anyone that DD was on the ice for 15 of them (62.5%)?


The closest a forward is : Plekanec with 10 goals(41.7%) (and he is the one playing against top offensive line night after night).....after that it's Pacioretty with 9.

At some point, we might want adress this. Offensive is not everything!

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First, even if i really dislike Desharnais.....last goal wasn't really his fault...at 4 on 4 you create a box and you can't leave the D alone back there.

But...(always a but)

Although he played well lately (and he did play well) ...the upside are not worth the downside for me. Here's some numbers for all of you who think i blindly pointing at DD :

The Habs allowed only 24 goals at even strenght.
Best in the league!!

But does it bother anyone that DD was on the ice for 15 of them (62.5%)?


The closest a forward is : Plekanec with 10 goals(41.7%) (and he is the one playing against top offensive line night after night).....after that it's Pacioretty with 9.

At some point, we might want adress this. Offensive is not everything!
Why talk about DD tonight ?

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03-02-2013, 10:03 PM
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Why does Therrien believe that DD is a great 4 on 4 player?
This is actually a good question and one that has bothered me for a while.

I guesss they figure they need his playmaking, or that Pacioretty (perhaps our best 4 on 4 forward) will be lost without his BFF.

But Plekanec, Pacioretty, Eller, Bourque and both Gally's should be ahead of him on 4 on 4. Actually if anything exposes his lack of explosiveness, it's this.

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Why are so many Hab fans obsessed with hating one of their own players at all times?
+1000000. No idea, one thing that confuses me to death. You're a fan but you hate guys on your team, makes sense.

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03-02-2013, 11:17 PM
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First, even if i really dislike Desharnais.....last goal wasn't really his fault...at 4 on 4 you create a box and you can't leave the D alone back there.

But...(always a but)

Although he played well lately (and he did play well) ...the upside are not worth the downside for me. Here's some numbers for all of you who think i blindly pointing at DD :

The Habs allowed only 24 goals at even strenght.
Best in the league!!

But does it bother anyone that DD was on the ice for 15 of them (62.5%)?


The closest a forward is : Plekanec with 10 goals(41.7%) (and he is the one playing against top offensive line night after night).....after that it's Pacioretty with 9.

At some point, we might want adress this. Offensive is not everything!
May I ask where you got these stats? It's not that I don't believe you, I do, I just wanna use whatever website it comes from!

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03-02-2013, 11:25 PM
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Why not keep that in the pgt thread instead of this thread which is basically a DD bashing thread ?
I'll be sure to ask for your permission next time I wish to discuss DD in the DD thread.

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May I ask where you got these stats? It's not that I don't believe you, I do, I just wanna use whatever website it comes from!
Yeah, been putting together a small list of stats sites lately and wouldn't mind having this one as well.


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Yeah, been putting together a small list of stats sites lately and wouldn't mind having this one as well.
Well, i think you already got this one: NHL.COM

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...Name=plusMinus

Take the powerplay goals allowed out of the equation

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First, even if i really dislike Desharnais.....last goal wasn't really his fault...at 4 on 4 you create a box and you can't leave the D alone back there.

But...(always a but)

Although he played well lately (and he did play well) ...the upside are not worth the downside for me. Here's some numbers for all of you who think i blindly pointing at DD :

The Habs allowed only 24 goals at even strenght.
Best in the league!!

But does it bother anyone that DD was on the ice for 15 of them (62.5%)?


The closest a forward is : Plekanec with 10 goals(41.7%) (and he is the one playing against top offensive line night after night).....after that it's Pacioretty with 9.

At some point, we might want adress this. Offensive is not everything!
DD is our worst player in the +/-, followed by Markov. Markov was also on the ice for 15 of them. Would you say Markov is a useless ? They have both the same role. They have to create offense. Desharnais is doing his job.

He had a slow start and was minus 5 after 11 games and since the 6-0 lost he is +3 and producing at 0.8 points per game. Granted he is not a #1 centerman, but he is doing what he is paid for. He is creating alot of scoring opportunities.

For the last goal, it was a 3 on 3 and the habs let the penguins have the blue line too easily. Pacioretty was week on that play and was out of position. Of course it would have been great to see DD coming back to pressure the puck holder. He was just too agressive in his forecheck and clearly tired. You also have to admit that it was a crazy game with so many mistakes on both side.


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03-03-2013, 08:38 AM
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First, even if i really dislike Desharnais.....last goal wasn't really his fault...at 4 on 4 you create a box and you can't leave the D alone back there.

But...(always a but)

Although he played well lately (and he did play well) ...the upside are not worth the downside for me. Here's some numbers for all of you who think i blindly pointing at DD :

The Habs allowed only 24 goals at even strenght.
Best in the league!!

But does it bother anyone that DD was on the ice for 15 of them (62.5%)?


The closest a forward is : Plekanec with 10 goals(41.7%) (and he is the one playing against top offensive line night after night).....after that it's Pacioretty with 9.

At some point, we might want adress this. Offensive is not everything!
If you want to pull out that card, Montreal has only given up 17 ES goals (9 ES goals against) while Pacioretty plays, so he's right up there with Desharnais.

Also, those minuses were from a couple of bad games. Everyone knows that DD and even Patch started off ice-cold. In the last 9 games, DD is a +4 with 8 points. Patch in the same time, has 12-points and is a +7. If the line continues to play the way they have over the past 2-3 weeks, we have no worries with them.

DD & Patch have been extremely unlucky. Their Goalie's SV% when they are on the ice has been poor (below .900). It has been improving of late though, and I expect in another couple of weeks, their SV% will be in line with most other players on the team. On the other hand, guys like Tomas Kaberle (who most think is weak defensively) has been extremely lucky as his G's have posted a .971 SV% while he's on the ice.

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This is actually a good question and one that has bothered me for a while.

I guesss they figure they need his playmaking, or that Pacioretty (perhaps our best 4 on 4 forward) will be lost without his BFF.

But Plekanec, Pacioretty, Eller, Bourque and both Gally's should be ahead of him on 4 on 4. Actually if anything exposes his lack of explosiveness, it's this.
I wish there was somewhere we could find 4 on 4 stats. I seem to recall DD being on the ice for a lot of goals (even though he wasn't always part of them).

We just suck in OT either way, unfortunately. Just not as bad as the shootout.


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