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11-17-2012, 02:57 PM
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2013 Draft: Stop winnin for MacKinnon, or Do Meth for Seth?

After what was a much hyped 2012 draft heading into that season decided to become underwhelming and defense heavy, which was more an indictment of the forward "quality" of that draft, we head into a 2013 draft that right now looks like the polar opposite. The two big prizes being Nathan MacKinnon, who some have hyped as the next generational level talent out of the QMJHL, and Seth Jones, who's been the next BIG thing from US defense prospects for a few years now and is now staring with the American-heavy Portland Winterhawks. But this years draft goes beyond that, well beyond. Barkov, Drouin, Domi, Monahan, Lazar, Lindholm, Shinkaruk, Cammaratta... lots of big names and big time talent up front.

So here we go, a first look at some of the rankings:
ISS Top 15:
1. Nathan MacKinnon (C) - Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL)
2. Seth Jones (RD) - Portland Winterhawks (WHL)
3. Sasha Barkov (F) - Tappara (SM-Liiga)
4. Jonathan Drouin (LW) - Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL)
5. Sean Monahan (C) - Ottawa 67's (OHL)
6. Curtis Lazar (C) - Edmonton Oil Kings (WHL)
7. Hunter Shinkaruk (LW) - Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL)
8. Rasmus Ristolainen (RD) - TPS Turku (SM-Liiga)
9. Darnell Nurse (LD) - Soo Greyhounds (OHL)
10. Elias Lindholm (C) - Brynas (SEL)
11. Andre Burakowsky (LW) - Malmo (SEL)
12. Valery Nichushkin (F) - Chelyabinsk (VHL)
13. Artturi Lehkonen (LW) - KalPa (SM-Liiga)
14. Jason Dickinson (LW) - Guelph Storm (OHL)
15. Ryan Pulock (RD) - Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL)

TSN Early Season Rankings: http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=9600
1. Nathan MacKinnon - C, Halifax (QMJHL)
2. Seth Jones - D, Portland (WHL)
3. Sean Monahan - C, Ottawa 67s (OHL)
4. Elias Lindholm - C, Brynas (SEL)
5. Rasmus Ristolainen - D, TPS (SM-Liiga)
6. Aleksander Barkov - C, Tappara (SM-Liiga)
7. Andre Burakovsky - RW, Malmo J20 (SuperElit)
8. Jacob de la Rose - C, Leksand J20 (SuperElit)
9. Curtis Lazar - C, Edmonton (WHL)
10. Kerby Rychel - LW, Windsor (OHL)

Personally, assuming we don't have a **** season (if we even have one) I'm hoping we can land Rychel. Nice power forward prospect that can pot some serious goals. Only possible change to make him the perfect fit prospect for us is if he played the right side.

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Assuming they use the same lottery format, we should have three balls.

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yep, rules for that were teams started at 3, couldn't go any lower then 1. They lost a ball for each time they made the playoffs over the last 3 years, and for each time they picked #1 overall.

1 ball teams - Boston, Buffalo, Chicago, Detroit, Edmonton (#1 picks), Los Angeles, Montreal, Nashville, New Jersey, Rangers, Ottawa, Philly, Phoenix, Pitt, San Jose, Vancouver, Washington

2 ball teams - Anaheim, Colorado, Florida, St Louis, Tampa Bay

3 ball teams - Calgary, Carolina, Columbus, Dallas, Minnesota, Islanders, Toronto, Winnipeg

of all those teams, I'd say Columbus is the most deserving (screwed by Nash, screwed by the lotto last year), followed by us, Dallas, Minnesota, and Calgary as the next tier for at least trying to ice a competitive team every season but coming up short each time. Screws our draft position in those years when we could have gone full tank mode like many other teams, some of which have made the playoffs in that time frame.

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Monahan's the one who gets the Toews comparisons, right? My pick would be him followed by any defensively competent defenseman.

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yep, but unless this gets far enough for there to be a lottery, unless we have a **** season, or unless he pulls a Couture/Grigorenko we're not getting him.

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Monahan might as well be compared to Couture, being a big bodied center from the Ottawa 67's and all. The only way I see him dropping in the charts is if his offensive production halts and the more flashier fowards like Shinkaruk and Lindholm are wanted instead.

I'm intrigued by Finland's Barkov. He's like half Russian, so it would be a bonus if he knew how to speak it too.

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Yeah, I'm assuming no season and a lottery.

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I'm also not the least bit worried about Semin leaving in case of a lockout. Pitts and him are destined to be best friends and with Barkov onboard (hoping), Carolina is the perfect fit. If we, the wings, and the pens were the only options for Semin this past offseason, one year in the KHL shouldn't change the minds of other owners in the NHL.

The superstar Russian players will likely stay put in the NHL since the league isn't cutting back player salaries.

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I'm intrigued by Finland's Barkov. He's like half Russian, so it would be a bonus if he knew how to speak it too.
He was born and raised in Finland by Russian parents. His father is an ex-hockey player and coach.
He's having one hell of a season as a 17-year-old in the elite league and has been impressing every scout that has seen him play.

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Cammaratta is not a big name. He will be taken in second or third round.

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Agree on the round, disagree on him not being a big name. Biggest reason he's not being talked about more is his lack of size. He's one of the most offensively gifted players in the draft, but this draft isn't lacking at all in that department so safer prospects will be taken before him.

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He was born and raised in Finland by Russian parents. His father is an ex-hockey player and coach.
He's having one hell of a season as a 17-year-old in the elite league and has been impressing every scout that has seen him play.
He's gotta most certainly speak Russian then

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He's gotta most certainly speak Russian then
His native language is still finnish though, he has lived his whole life in Finland, all his friends are finnish, finnish school etc. and he has stated somewhere that he feels himself as completely finnish person too.

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perfect fit for us then

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I've heard huge things about Barkov. Definitely my number 3 behind Mac and Jones... (I know, sticking to the ISS rankings, real creative Dubinchuk).

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His native language is still finnish though, he has lived his whole life in Finland, all his friends are finnish, finnish school etc. and he has stated somewhere that he feels himself as completely finnish person too.
His native language is definetly russian but he speaks perfect finnish and typical finnish rally english. He has stated it before that he is fully finnish but his roots is strongly from russia. He admires russian hockey players. He is fully product of finnish hockey system and have lived his whole life in Finland.

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Just a bump for the Bobby Mac midterms:
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=9840

Top 10:
1 - D Seth Jones (7 of 10 first place votes)
2 - C Nathan MacKinnon (3 of 10 first place votes)
3 - LW Jonathan Drouin
4 - C Alexander Barkov
5 - C Elias Lindholm
6 - C Sean Monahan
7 - D Rasmus Ristolainen
8 - C/RW Hunter Shinkaruk
9 - D Nikita Zadorov
10 - W Valeri Nichushkin

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Assuming they use the same lottery format, we should have three balls.
We can lend one to Phil Kessel.

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Zadorov and Bo Horvat, my favourite players from this draft, not a homer opinion I swear.

I like Kujawinski if he goes in the 2nd round I would be happy with that pick.

but Zadorov Zadorov Zadorov the guy is huge, skates well, and hits hard and often. My favourite player on the Knights in a long time.

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Zadorov and Bo Horvat, my favourite players from this draft, not a homer opinion I swear.

I like Kujawinski if he goes in the 2nd round I would be happy with that pick.

but Zadorov Zadorov Zadorov the guy is huge, skates well, and hits hard and often. My favourite player on the Knights in a long time.
I was really impressed with Zadorov in the few games I've seen him play live this year. Guy is huuuuuuuge and skates well for his size.

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Sounds like I need to watch some London games, I still haven't seen him yet this season.

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Bump....


Mock draft from the folks at NHL.com made me want to throw this back up.


As done with the 15th overall pick, Kimelman has us taking Burakovsky, Morreale has us selecting Mantha, and Hoffman says Nichushkin.


What is on everybody's wishlist if we end up...#3 seed, lower playoff seed, or out of the playoffs?

I know Rychel's name has been thrown around a lot, and he appears at #29, 23, and 21 by the respective NHL staff members.

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Makes no difference. We will trade the pick as we are in "win now" mode. Maybe for a #4 defenseman or as a toss-in "to sweeten the pot" in some other deal as we try to unload a bad contract..

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If Semin sticks around past this season, Nichushkin could be an interesting target.

Found this brief scouting report:

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A strong-bodied center forward who is not afraid to get into the dirty areas to create scoring chances. Upsides include great skating ability, very good balance on his skates allow him to utilise his full skating potential and his star-quality vision of his surroundings allow him locate teammates with precision passing accuracy. Not many downsides to his game but shot accuracy could be improved. An NHL comparison that best suits him would be Jordan Staal of the Carolina Hurricanes who uses his big body to make plays but also incorporates his stickhandling ability into the mix which allows him to score goals. Look for Valeri Nichushkin to be a rising star in the years to come, potentially being a top 10 draft pick for the 2013 NHL Draft and also representing his country in many international tournaments to come.
Listed at 6'-3", 195 lbs. He would appear to be a mix of Semin and the Staals, so what's not to like?

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If Semin sticks around past this season, Nichushkin could be an interesting target.

Found this brief scouting report:



Listed at 6'-3", 195 lbs. He would appear to be a mix of Semin and the Staals, so what's not to like?
That's who I thought would make sense for us in that draft position.

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