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03-03-2013, 04:07 PM
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What an idiotic thread that continues despite the team's current status in the standing.

Maybe all of this long term vision would have been MB's plans for this year had things fallen apart again this year the way they did last year. But when things are as the way they are, ownership's mindset changes to playoff revenue, something they missed out on last year and only one round in 2011. The best Bergevin can do is balance out this year (ownerships' new expectations) to his long term vision, hence the types of trades like Ryder and Toharski that don't really hurt this year but open up possibilities for next year and beyond.

This thread is being pushed forward by people who have no clue about profit driven corporations and their desire for revenue. They also have shareholders to answer to. When there is money to be made, there is never any justification to simply piss it away because of some philosophy to the contrary that doesn't really guarantee success.
Some of you would fail ECON 101 so bad.

Rebuilding is an investment. It indeed reduces short tarm profit on average. However, many shareholders like to see their company invest.

BTW - bsl works in the finance sector in Hong Kong. He knows all about the private sector and investments. You?

Take the Ryder trade. It makes the team weaker. But in the long term, we have the chance to be stronger overall.

Will we see more moves like the Ryder trade? You predict no.

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03-03-2013, 04:13 PM
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Some of you would fail ECON 101 so bad.

Rebuilding is an investment. It indeed reduces short tarm profit on average. However, many shareholders like to see their company invest.

BTW - bsl works in the finance sector in Hong Kong. He knows all about the private sector and investments. You?

Take the Ryder trade. It makes the team weaker. But in the long term, we have the chance to be stronger overall.

Will we see more moves like the Ryder trade? You predict no.
and you are complaining about insults and people being rude ? lol


good for him, but how that makes bsl a HOCKEY expert ?


it doesnt actually, over their entire career, both Cole and Ryder production are pretty much the same. they're not the same type of players but their scoring is the same, +/- 30 goals a year.

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Some of you would fail ECON 101 so bad.

Rebuilding is an investment. It indeed reduces short tarm profit on average. However, many shareholders like to see their company invest.

BTW - bsl works in the finance sector in Hong Kong. He knows all about the private sector and investments. You?

Take the Ryder trade. It makes the team weaker. But in the long term, we have the chance to be stronger overall.

Will we see more moves like the Ryder trade? You predict no.
Unfortunately for you and your out of touch philosophies, it's not your money at play here. Power, politics, and egos are center stage, something all theoretical aspects of rebuilding don't account for.

What do BSL's finance prowess have to do with hockey? His theories come into play when and if the Habs would become a financially depressed asset, which is not the case right now. They are actually quite healthy (third healthiest in the entire industry of hockey if you believe the reports coming out of the lockout).

Why would ownership mess with a good thing and 'blow it up'? your view is a small minded view of the problems facing the Habs (then again ownership might ask what problems?).

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03-03-2013, 04:37 PM
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Some of you would fail ECON 101 so bad.

Rebuilding is an investment. It indeed reduces short tarm profit on average. However, many shareholders like to see their company invest.

BTW - bsl works in the finance sector in Hong Kong. He knows all about the private sector and investments. You?

Take the Ryder trade. It makes the team weaker. But in the long term, we have the chance to be stronger overall.

Will we see more moves like the Ryder trade? You predict no.
Rebuilding is an unnecessary investment when you have a good team. I think the people that would fail ECON 101 are those who think we should trade away assets and make our team weaker today for a CHANCE at a better team in the future, just as our team starts to look really good on the ice today.

It really does seem to lack basic understanding of hockey.

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03-03-2013, 04:39 PM
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Anyhow I think Markov is a moot point.

I could see Cole waiving his NTC as he has no ties to the city, but not Markov, certainly not to go to a Dallas-type bottom feeder. Taxes are a big deal, but if he goes to Calgary he only saves 0.50-1.00 million dollars or so (unlike Cole who has 2.5 years of salary to look forward to), and he'll lose a lot more as his stats will likely drop.

With that said I would want a 1st and a 2nd from a bottom dweller (e.g. Calgary), a first and a good prospect from a middle dweller (e.g. Ottawa), and two 1sts or a first and a great prospect from a contender (e.g. Detroit). Detroit is a team that could be a good fit for Markov, that he would actually waive his NTC for, but I'm not sure what they have.

Gionta, Ryder, Moen, Kaberle, are our only true selling chips now that Bourque is concussed.

At the 2014 deadline we might be looking to sell Josh Gorges if Tinordi and Pateryn keep improving.
Markov has modified no-trade clause. He's lost a step, because of age his game will continue to erode. You don't trade Gorges who is in prime years. Just smart asset management.

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03-03-2013, 05:14 PM
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Rebuilding is an unnecessary investment when you have a good team. I think the people that would fail ECON 101 are those who think we should trade away assets and make our team weaker today for a CHANCE at a better team in the future, just as our team starts to look really good on the ice today.

It really does seem to lack basic understanding of hockey.
Yet Bergevin still traded Cole for a lesser player and most of the firm cheered the extra cap space and draft pick

BTW please stop talking about chance and guarantees. Every strategy has risk. EVERY strategy.

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