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03-03-2013, 08:00 PM
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Quoted again for emphasis. There is no need for a roster shakeup of any sort. This team is rolling 4 lines, a lot of that has to do with Chemistry.

Prior to Bolland's injury...

2nd Line-Bolland was still getting used to a top 6 role playing with Kane and Sharp. Give the dude some time. He has the tools to be useful, or at the very least, not hurt that line

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Puhleeze, Bolland "getting used to" playing Top 6. Shaw stepped in last year and this year Saad stepped right in and had no big adjustment period and they were/are rookies.

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So now one week later I'll ask the same question: Is anyone still willing to let Stalberg walk as a UFA?
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Yes

He isn't worth 3M+ which is what he will get

We have Hayes/Morin on doorsteps of NHL to play wing
I only move Viktor for a #2C. Otherwise I sign him, hopefully for a hometown discount but willing to pay full market.

Morin/Hayes do NOT replace him IMO.

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03-03-2013, 08:04 PM
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I'd keep Bickell before I'd keep Stalberg if he keeps playing like this.

Edit: And that's not a slight against Viktor. Bickell's just been fantastic. And he's got chemistry with Shaw.

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He's a fun player to watch but he still does fumble passes, make bad passes, and not capitalize on scoring chances. I love watching his hustle and of course i'd love to see him on the Hawks forever, but i dont keep him unless we absolutely can fit him.

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03-03-2013, 08:05 PM
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Bickell also brings a physical element when playing like this that Stalberg cant

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03-03-2013, 08:06 PM
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Stalberg's like Kopecky in that he's hard to define. Playing with Bickell and Shaw is forcing him into a cycle role that honestly doesn't utilize his best asset - speed - as well as it should.

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03-03-2013, 08:07 PM
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Stalberg's like Kopecky in that he's hard to define. Playing with Bickell and Shaw is forcing him into a cycle role that honestly doesn't utilize his best asset - speed - as well as it should.
Agreed, and yet he is making things happen.

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Stalberg's like Kopecky in that he's hard to define. Playing with Bickell and Shaw is forcing him into a cycle role that honestly doesn't utilize his best asset - speed - as well as it should.
I wouldn't go as far to say that Stalberg is "perfect" as a 3rd liner, but he fits perfectly into the Hawks 3rd line. He gives that line an extra offensive threat because of his speed but there just isn't really room for him in our top6.

Put it this way, if there were an injury, god forbid, to Hossa, Sharp, or Kane, would we as Hawks fans feel comfortable with Stalberg filling in that roll? Or would we see a massive hole where Stalberg is playing?

Personally, i dont think he has the finishing ability to be in our top 6. Just enough of an offensive threat on our 3rd line and PP unit though.

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Agreed, and yet he is making things happen.
For three million plus, I'd want more then an above average board player that's being under utilized.

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03-03-2013, 08:12 PM
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Puhleeze, Bolland "getting used to" playing Top 6. Shaw stepped in last year and this year Saad stepped right in and had no big adjustment period and they were/are rookies.
Oh sorry. I forgot that Shaw completely lit it up last year in all of those games in our top 6. And i must have missed Saad racking up points like an NHL 1st liner.

Bolland is fine as our top 6 center. "Fine", not great, not bad, not hurtful to the team. He is playing his role well enough to justify his spot there.

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03-03-2013, 08:15 PM
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Bolland is not fine ,, He has been horrid as #2 C

Kane has had to carry that line all alone with how bad him and Sharp have played (And Kruger not fit for #2 being on line lately)

Will be intersting to see what happens when Montador is cleared soon. Hawks will have 8 dmen on NHL roster and will need to clear out a guy

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I wouldn't go as far to say that Stalberg is "perfect" as a 3rd liner, but he fits perfectly into the Hawks 3rd line. He gives that line an extra offensive threat because of his speed but there just isn't really room for him in our top6.

Put it this way, if there were an injury, god forbid, to Hossa, Sharp, or Kane, would we as Hawks fans feel comfortable with Stalberg filling in that roll? Or would we see a massive hole where Stalberg is playing?

Personally, i dont think he has the finishing ability to be in our top 6. Just enough of an offensive threat on our 3rd line and PP unit though.
I'd love to hear what mythical team has guys on it's third line that wouldn't be a significant drop off from top guys that are borderline all-stars at worst.

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03-03-2013, 08:23 PM
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Bolland is not fine ,, He has been horrid as #2 C

Kane has had to carry that line all alone with how bad him and Sharp have played (And Kruger not fit for #2 being on line lately)

Will be intersting to see what happens when Montador is cleared soon. Hawks will have 8 dmen on NHL roster and will need to clear out a guy
You waive Montador or Bollig. Hopefully somebody takes Montador for free. Monty also can fill in on the fourth line and bring a decent two-way game with versatility in case of injuries.

Bolland hasn't been very good, but horrid is hyperbole.

Kruger last year was horrid. Brendan Morrison was horrid. Bolland hasn't been great but he's at worst a third line talent playing slightly above a role that suits him.

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03-03-2013, 08:25 PM
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Bolland is poor excuse for a #2 C ,, Is that more accurate?

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He could be a 2C on most teams in the league. He's good enough. Not the best 2C, but good enough.

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03-03-2013, 08:29 PM
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I wouldn't go so far as to say poor excuse... certainly not ideal, but you can do far worse as a bandage.

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He could be a 2C on most teams in the league. He's good enough. Not the best 2C, but good enough.
He could be a #2 C on a lotto team with no playoff hopes

He has no business in top 6

He is a great #3C ,, But he isn't a top 6 talent

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He could be a #2 C on a lotto team with no playoff hopes

He has no business in top 6

He is a great #3C ,, But he isn't a top 6 talent
...you do realize he's the #2 C on a team that hasn't lost during the course of play right?...

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...you do realize he's the #2 C on a team that hasn't lost during the course of play right?...

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Because he has Kane to carry the line all alone

The fact is he is failing as a #2 C ,, Come playoff time we cant expect Kane to do everything by himself

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Right, Bolland definitely is a liability come playoff time.

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Right, Bolland definitely is a liability come playoff time.
In top 6 role not shutdown role = Yep

Or do you expect the Hawks to try and use Kane as a shutdown winger?

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What type of strawman argument is that?

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Every year the Bolland supporters say how he could be #2 C just hasn't been given a real chance

This year he has and he has looked terrible. His line with him in lineup is constantly trapped in own end and nonfactor offensively (Kane picked up many of his points on PP or with another combo on ice not Bolland)

He got paid by Tallon based on potential to be #2 C (And thanks to Havlat inflating his stats that year)

He is never going to be the #2 C the Hawks hoped ,, Best to go out and adress the #2 C problem before it comes back to haunt the Hawks come playoff time

And every year was are left wondering about his health

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What type of strawman argument is that?
Simple fact that all of Bolland's postseason play occured as a bottom 6 C with primary role of shutdown C

To use his success as #3 C in playoffs and somehow say that will mean that his failing as #2 C will somehow magically go away is strawman argument

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