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03-03-2013, 11:58 PM
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Three games too many.

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I said I was fine with 1-3. 4 seems a little high, but it was an illegal check in my eyes and one that simply did not need to happen. I love hard hits and Harry Z could have absolutely plastered Lundin without the launch.

The issue I have is the inconsistency. That same hit will occur several more times this season and I can promise several of them will be different suspension lengths (even removing the repeat offender potential).

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I have to say that angle showed how bad it was unlike the other ones that were circulating last night. It was a pretty massive launch, and he really clobbered the **** out of his head. No wonder he got concussed.

Can't disagree with the suspension.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CbvJeAAdPM

The first five seconds of this video explains how I feel about suspensions and penalties anymore. Mind as well make those calls count, eh?

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I have no problem with the suspension. I just don't understand the inconsistencies. Is there anyway there can be a suspension rubric? Like first clear targeting of the head 2 games, then 10, then whatever? I also think the problem is that if someone like Iginla did this, would he have gotten 4 games? Would he have been suspended at all? Would he have even gotten a 5 minute major? I think that's a bigger issue if your goal is to remove these hits from the game. Everyone needs to be suspended for them, not just 4th liners.

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03-04-2013, 08:08 AM
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I have no problem with the suspension. I just don't understand the inconsistencies. Is there anyway there can be a suspension rubric? Like first clear targeting of the head 2 games, then 10, then whatever? I also think the problem is that if someone like Iginla did this, would he have gotten 4 games? Would he have been suspended at all? Would he have even gotten a 5 minute major? I think that's a bigger issue if your goal is to remove these hits from the game. Everyone needs to be suspended for them, not just 4th liners.
Kaleta's probably going to be the next 4th liner to get the book thrown at him. Consistency is my only problem really with this. It's hard to get a feel on what's a suspension and what's not now a days.

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03-04-2013, 08:39 AM
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Harry Z gets suspended four games for so called leaving his feet but Alfie gets zilch for using his stick as a weapon? This is what the NHL has become. Philips is a big guy and can't handle himself?

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Harry Z gets suspended four games for so called leaving his feet but Alfie gets zilch for using his stick as a weapon? This is what the NHL has become. Philips is a big guy and can't handle himself?
I think 5 and a game was sufficient for Alfredsson. The main board / Potvin exoneration of his action and blaming it all on Rinaldo was laughable.

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The hall, benn, and erskine plays were all worse. They were not hockey plays. This was at least a hockey play that went a little too far.

Shannahan is awful, just as bad as campbell

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Can't really argue with this one. Clearly left hit feet and the head was the focal point of the hit. If he would have kept his feet planted he could have destroyed him with a legal hit which is what makes this bad. There are some hits where the guys head is in a spot where you can't avoid it but this could have been avoided and still been an awesome hit.

I say we sign Forsberg to a 4 game contract to play with Gags and Knuble again!

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Two would have been about right. But I am still pissed about James Neal's hits on Couturier and Giroux and what he received. Shanny let me down there. Keep your skates on the ice Harry and you will not get in any trouble. That was my only issue with the hit, but four is a bit much.

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03-04-2013, 12:39 PM
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So let me get this straight, the Erskine elbow on Simmonds was deemed less dirty than this play? Give me a break. I don't even mind the suspension, but where the hell is the consistency that the league promised when they appointed Lord Shanahan as they end all be all for suspensions?

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The hall, benn, and erskine plays were all worse. They were not hockey plays. This was at least a hockey play that went a little too far.

Shannahan is awful, just as bad as campbell
The inconsistency is absolutely maddening. At this point it's hard to look at any given hit and have a good idea what the punishment will be...it ranged from nothing at all to 5 games, seemingly. They need to overhaul the system.

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At least with Campbell you knew nothing was suspension worthy. Shanny you don't even know where to draw the line with certain hits.

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Harry Z is making Rinaldo look like an Archangel ......but definitely Shanascam is the devil incarnate. The inconsistency is a joke and it's ruining the integrity of the game b/c the disciplinary actions look like that of a kangaroo court.....

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I don't mind the 4, Alfredsson's situation not withstanding.

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Kaleta got just 1 more .... reputation included
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Hate seeing this suspension nonsense in the NHL...........Bring back the 2 line pass rule and get rid of the 3rd man in rule during fights etc,,,,,,,Hockey was MUCH better when the PLAYERS enforced the games in my view.

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Hate seeing this suspension nonsense in the NHL...........Bring back the 2 line pass rule and get rid of the 3rd man in rule during fights etc,,,,,,,Hockey was MUCH better when the PLAYERS enforced the games in my view.
I would disagree with the 2 line pass. We don't need less offense, scoring is already down to Dead Puck Era levelsa Adding two line passes back into the game would make that worse.

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I would disagree with the 2 line pass. We don't need less offense, scoring is already down to Dead Puck Era levelsa Adding two line passes back into the game would make that worse.
Yeah I don't want the two line pass back. I think getting rid of the instigator rule would cut out some of this stuff going on though.

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Another thing being forgotten about the Harry Z suspension is that this is during a shortened season. During a regular season, 4 games would be somewhere between 7-8 games. Borderline hits should't see a guy suspended for nearly ten percent of the season. Shanny loves to swing the big dick against non-stars like Harry Z and Kaleta, but absolutely cowers to big name guys like we've seen with Alfredsson, Benn, and Neal.

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I would disagree with the 2 line pass. We don't need less offense, scoring is already down to Dead Puck Era levelsa Adding two line passes back into the game would make that worse.
As a former goalie, less scoring never bothered me either as a player or a fan........Some of the greatest games i have ever seen were some low scoring games in the 70s where Parent was sizzling...Hard hitting and the true role of enforcers playing out in a game adds plenty of " excitement" to a low scoring hockey game.

Some of the greatest baseball games were low scoring games Carlton pitched back in his prime.The Phillies did not score many runs back during his 27 win season, but his pitching carried the day...

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As a former goalie, less scoring never bothered me either as a player or a fan........Some of the greatest games i have ever seen were some low scoring games in the 70s where Parent was sizzling...Hard hitting and the true role of enforcers playing out in a game adds plenty of " excitement" to a low scoring hockey game.

Some of the greatest baseball games were low scoring games Carlton pitched back in his prime.The Phillies did not score many runs back during his 27 win season, but his pitching carried the day...
It's more than just the raw number of goals - which I agree the lower they are the more valuable each one is. (I'll never understand basketball with its shot clock and illegal defense to maintain the pace of constant scoring - that pace is EXACTLY why I can't bother watching it). The quality of play also suffered with the 2LP rule. Slow and mired and muddled.

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It's more than just the raw number of goals - which I agree the lower they are the more valuable each one is. (I'll never understand basketball with its shot clock and illegal defense to maintain the pace of constant scoring - that pace is EXACTLY why I can't bother watching it). The quality of play also suffered with the 2LP rule. Slow and mired and muddled.
Respectfully i think the clutching and grabbing etc slowed and muddled the game more than the 2LP rule ?

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