- The Detroit Red Wings are in a pickle with Val Filppula, who has tons of ability but has never really broken through to star status. He makes $3 million US now, and sources say he’d like $4.5 million or so in a new deal when he’s an unrestricted free agent July 1. That’s too rich for Detroit, but what if Pavel Datsyuk, 34, returns to Russia after his contract ends in 2014? “They know that’s a possibility,” said one NHL executive. Then, they need the Filppula, who’s 28.
The Detroit Red Wings have to decide this summer whether to re-up former Oilers winger Daniel Cleary, whose body has started to betray him the last few years with a string of injuries. Cleary, 34, always plays hard, but they probably won’t pay him $2.8 million any longer. Maybe the same two-year deal Todd Bertuzzi got ($3.85 million)
Filppula and Cleary can be replaced. Especially Cleary. Filppula has tons of skill, but lacks aggression/determination. He hardly shoots the puck and never goes to the net. When he actually does, like last year, he has a career year. I wouldn't mind having him back next year, but not for an overpayment.
I'm done with Cleary. Someone like Sheahan can replace him. Play in the bottom 6, PP screen and PK.
I'd be very disappointed in Holland if he decides to retain Cleary regardless of the price. He just takes up a roster spot like Sammy and Bert. You need veterans on your team, but not at the expense of improving it.
I wonder what they could get if they packaged (either in one or separate deals) Cleary, Filppula, Abdelkader, Quincey, some prospects and picks.
I'd go ahead and buyout one of Bert or Sammy and Colaiacovo. Get some real re-building done.
If Pavel goes home to play, Fil isn't the answer anyway. That is not a factor for me when it comes to a re-signing. I see him as a winger going forward on this team, who depending on his center will score between 50-65 points.
If they have to buy out Franzen, which I am on record as saying it's inevitable that they do, then I think it becomes much easier to sign Filppula. Mule is a declining asset and Filppula is coming off a career year last season. Filppula can obviously help himself by scoring more when he comes back from the IR, but I'd be shocked if they let him walk.
With Cleary I hope the most they do is year to year deals if anything. He's a trooper but it's obvious the decline has been swift and brutal. There is no way he should get another multi-year contract in Detroit.
Cleary should be told "Thanks, but we need to to go in a new direction."
No cheap offers. No tryouts. That's unnacceptable.
We're going to bringing Tatar and Andersson back to Detroit next year after they get demoted. We've got to bring Nyquist up.
As for flip, if all he wants is $4.5M, he's worth it. And with Datsyuk's future up the air, we can't afford to let him walk away
So to recap:
Miller- Let him walk.
Cleary- Let him walk
And then you've still got
There's 14 forwards-- a full roster before you've even started thinking about any UFAs.
Plus, I think guys like Ferraro/Sheahan/Jarnkrok are going to push for spots.
If Bertuzzi continues to not recover this season, I honestly think he will call it a career at the end of this season. He will still count against the cap, but at this point his 1.8 million is pretty insignificant I don't think it will be a big deal, or he does Holland a favor, doesn't retire and goes on LTIR, but that puts us at 13 forwards. I also think Eaves (as much as I like the guy) might get traded at the deadline or in the offseason. Even with his struggles, at 4.5 million I think you gotta keep Flip.
My 2013-14 roster
Franzen - Zetterberg - Brunner
Filppula - Datsyuk - Perry/Clowe
(in an old PuckDaddy Interview, I'm pretty certain Dats said if he could have any 2 linemates they would be Joe Thornton and Ryan Clowe)
Tatar - Sheahan - Nyquist
Tootoo - Helm - Abdelkader
spare forwards: Andersson/Samuelsson
Tatar is holding up very well on the third line against other teams 3rd lines, I'm pretty certain if his linemates were Sheahan & Nyquist they would just be as effective with a bit more offensive punch than what we are seeing now, and another offseason should hopefully get Nyquist the strength he needs to be able to play at the NHL level
I really don't think $4.5m is unreasonable for Filppula.
Cleary should be gone but Holland will probably give him a multi-year deal.
From a GM, "Detroit is the best team we've played this year. It's not even close. Their puck control is incredible...You have to hope your goalie has a great night to give you a chance."
Cleary should have salary reduced to 1.3 mil (1.5 for loyalty) and demoted to the 3rd/4th
Since our 3rd/4th line has alot of young talent ready to come on the scene, trade Cleary for prospects/picks (whatever we can get)
What I expect to happen:
Due to his playing time, it seems management likes him.
He will be extended to the Bert deal, 2mil per year for 2 years.
Common theme: He is definitely getting a Cut in Salary at minimum.
What I think:
4.5 Million huh? Well we do have lots of money to spend. But come on man. 4.5? Maybe you get this last year. But this year?? Makes us reconsider. Plus this is how I think of things:
70-75+ Points per season: 1st line player: pays you the big bucks: 3x 6.5 million (19.5Mil)
45-60 Points per season: 2nd liner: pays you well: 3x 3-4 million (10Mil)
20-35 Points per season: 3rd liner: pays you ok: 3x 1.5-2.5 million (6Mil)
10-15 points per season: 4th liner: pays you poorly: 3x 0.8-1million (3Mil)
Top D men (4-5 million) x2 (10Mil)
3/4 Dmen (3 million) x2 (6Mil)
5/6 Dmen (1 million) x2 (2Mil)
Top Goalie 4-5 Million
Backup 1.5 million
Total 19.5+10+6+3+10+6+2+5+1.5=63 Million
(You know I didn't even fiddle with these numbers, just seems to work out about right first try, wow GJ me )
This puts Filppula in a clear category. 45-60 pt per season player, 3-4 Million.
I think 4.5 Is for a team with no first line players and requires all good 2nd liners to make a solid team. But Filppula has not performed that well. So really I think:
Filppula is worth 3.25
For Loyalty 3.5
Team discount by him (maybe 0.25-0.3)
UFA required to overpay 4 Mil.
I do not think he is worth 4.5
What Management likely thinks:
Ok we agree with you here on 4 Mil.
But he walks without 4.25-4.4.... So we are going to overpay and sign him.
Damn you holland... OK (I can live with it, but I don't like it)
I will seriously find and egg KH's house if he brings Cleary back, not even for a try out I just want him gone. He brings nothing to the top 6 and anything he brings to the bottom 6 can easily be replaced and then some.
Thanks for the good years Danny Boy, but we don't need you any more.
As for Filp, I think 4.5 is pretty reasonable considering the UFA contracts being thrown around in recent years, but signing him should come down to the UFA options we have. If we have a reasonable shot at Perry, Semin, Horton, Smid, or hell even Iginla (short term) then I'd be ok with letting Filp walk and trying to give his 4.5 to one or two of the UFAs. We use him as a winger anyway so he's pretty replaceable.
In a perfect world I'd like to see KH keep Fil and buy out Franzen in order to make space for any UFAs but we all know that isn't going to happen.
The Cleary bit sounds like pure conjecture on Matheson's part. If he has a source that has told him the Wings are going to wait, though, I think that's saying Cleary is effectively gone, and the Wings aren't planning on entertaining negotiations unless they have to.
The bit about Flip is pretty much what's been knocked around here. We are not going to get a replacement for Datsyuk in the near future barring a very lucky bounce in free agency. Flip, or someone similar, would be needed to cushion the blow a bit, and keep us competitive.
However, if Flip walks and we don't sign someone, that would look like a huge opening for Sheahan or Jarnkrok for next year's lineup.