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2012-13 Ongoing Waivers Thread (Chris Bourque)

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03-04-2013, 11:23 AM
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I think the Hurricanes can assign him directly to Charlotte though right?
I believe so. Any idea when the Canes lose that "first priority" thing (ala Kunitz circa 2005)? I wonder if it's the same as that 10 NHL Games/30 Days on Active Roster rule for re-requiring waivers.

Well, hopefully Carolina reclaims him and we soon find out...

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I think the Hurricanes can assign him directly to Charlotte though right?
Only if the other 28 teams pass.

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In the AHL or Europe. That's where you put them.
Or on the 3rd line to add some offense...if you are a team like Philly

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Zach Boychuk waived.

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Waivers: Boychuk, Zach (PIT) Bobby Buttler claimed by Nashville.

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Does Nashville have enough roster spots?

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Pretty sure the first priority thing is a myth causes by teams often reclaiming their players.

He is on waivers and it is reverse order of the standings as always.

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03-04-2013, 11:26 AM
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I believe so. Any idea when the Canes lose that "first priority" thing (ala Kunitz circa 2005)? I wonder if it's the same as that 10 NHL Games/30 Days on Active Roster rule for re-requiring waivers.

Well, hopefully Carolina reclaims him and we soon find out...
I'm not up on the whole if a team that picks up a waived player and then that team waives him type thing.

Boychuk is a Keith Aucoin v2.0 for us.

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03-04-2013, 11:49 AM
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Hearing the Canes will claim Boychuk off waivers. Badly needed in Charlotte with injuries to Dalpe, Nodl.

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03-04-2013, 11:51 AM
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Hearing the Canes will claim Boychuk off waivers. Badly needed in Charlotte with injuries to Dalpe, Nodl.
Yeah, I knew if the Pens put him on waivers the Canes would claim him back.

Good luck Zach!

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No question the Canes will claim Boychuk back and send him down if they get the chance. Their GM said as much when Pit claimed him. Just a matter of if another team wants to put in a claim and give him a look in the NHL. It wouldn't surprise me since he didn't look that bad with the Pens.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see Carolina grab him and put him in the AHL, but I'm not sure there will be a lot of outside interest. If he can't score with the Pens, he might just not be an NHL scorer.
yeah, but he wasn't going to get any PP time in that lineup. this is the type of kid teams like Calgary, Columbus, and even Nashville should think about kicking the tires on.

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03-04-2013, 12:03 PM
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Pretty sure the first priority thing is a myth causes by teams often reclaiming their players.

He is on waivers and it is reverse order of the standings as always.
I think you are correct. I took a quick look through the old CBA and nowhere did I see anything about the original team getting first dibs. Unless it changed in this CBA, it's still reverse standings.

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13.22 When a Club claims a Player on Regular, Re-Entry or Unconditional Waivers, and, subsequently, in the same season it requests Waivers on the same Player and the original owning Club is the successful and only Club making a Waiver claim, then the original owning Club shall be entitled to Loan such Player to a club in another league within thirty days without further Waivers being asked; provided that such Player has not participated in ten or more NHL Games (cumulative) and remained on an NHL roster more than thirty days (cumulative) following such successful claim.

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Boychuk didn't really deserve another look, but in his defense, he had his few chances to score. he just looked horribly snake-bitten. good luck to him in Carolina. hopefully this will be his real wake-up call.

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03-04-2013, 12:19 PM
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I think you are correct. I took a quick look through the old CBA and nowhere did I see anything about the original team getting first dibs. Unless it changed in this CBA, it's still reverse standings.
I believe this happened in October 2005 with Chris Kunitz and November 2005 with Yanick Lehoux if memory serves. But perhaps I'm incorrect. I sent an e-mail to someone that may know, I'll report back any findings.

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Basically if any of the other 28 teams want him for their NHL club Carolina can't just claim him and send him down to the AHL.

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I believe this happened in October 2005 with Chris Kunitz and November 2005 with Yanick Lehoux if memory serves. But perhaps I'm incorrect. I sent an e-mail to someone that may know, I'll report back any findings.
There is no waiver reclaim priority for former teams. It's one of those pervasive misunderstandings on the forums that hasn't just grown legs, it's off running the Kentucky Derby. See it oft repeated.

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Basically if any of the other 28 teams want him for their NHL club Carolina can't just claim him and send him down to the AHL.
Yup.

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03-04-2013, 01:09 PM
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Does Nashville have enough roster spots?
Gill went on IR this morning to make room.

When he comes off, whichever of Yip, Halischuk, Butler has played the worst will go on waivers.

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Gill went on IR this morning to make room.

When he comes off, whichever of Yip, Halischuk, Butler has played the worst will go on waivers.
The Preds only had 22 players on their roster before the Butler claims, so no need to put someone on waivers when Gill comes back

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There is no waiver reclaim priority for former teams. It's one of those pervasive misunderstandings on the forums that hasn't just grown legs, it's off running the Kentucky Derby. See it oft repeated.



Yup.
Thanks mouser, was hoping one of the BoH regulars would come here. I wonder where that started from originally. Normally, I don't fall for those...

It is correct though that when the prior club (Carolina, in this case) re-claims the player (Boychuk, in this case) that they can just send him down? Or do you think that right has expired because he was the on the Penguins active roster for 30 days or 10 NHL games (bolded being the condition that's fulfilled, in this case)?

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There is no waiver reclaim priority for former teams. It's one of those pervasive misunderstandings on the forums that hasn't just grown legs, it's off running the Kentucky Derby. See it oft repeated.



Yup.
This is something I see a lot as well and it makes me want to correct it every time I see it. There is no such thing as waiver priority.

To my knowledge, the only advantage the Canes have in this kind of instance is if they put in a claim and are the only team to do so, they can send him right down to Charlotte since they are the former team that waived him in the first place. If any other teams put in a claim in addition to Carolina, he is awarded to the team lowest in the standings like usual and he is on their NHL roster. If that team happens to be the Canes, they must keep him on their NHL roster and can't just assign him to the AHL. They must be the only claiming team to do that. To my knowledge, the thirty days/ten NHL games rule doesn't apply here. Carolina still has the ability to send him directly down only if they are the only claiming team.

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Gill went on IR this morning to make room.

When he comes off, whichever of Yip, Halischuk, Butler has played the worst will go on waivers.
They have a spot free from the McGrattan trade, no?

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03-04-2013, 01:51 PM
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That's correct. The Canes PR guy said as much.

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Thanks mouser, was hoping one of the BoH regulars would come here. I wonder where that started from originally. Normally, I don't fall for those...

It is correct though that when the prior club (Carolina, in this case) re-claims the player (Boychuk, in this case) that they can just send him down? Or do you think that right has expired because he was the on the Penguins active roster for 30 days or 10 NHL games (bolded being the condition that's fulfilled, in this case)?
It's 30 days and 10 NHL games. Boychuk only played 7 games with Pitt so he could be sent down. Assuming Carolina was the only team to put in a waiver claim (i.e. no teams with better records put in a claim) then they can send him to the AHL without waivers within the next 30 days.

*At least this is how it worked under the 2005 CBA. Until we see otherwise in the new CBA presuming everything will work the same since the new CBA MOU didn't discuss any changes to this.

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Great, thanks all! Well done.

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I believe that's only in baseball when speaking of the rule 5 draft

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I sure hope Bobby Butler can put the biscuit in the basket. That's all we need from him.

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I sure hope Bobby Butler can put the biscuit in the basket. That's all we need from him.
He has a pretty good shot and skates pretty well. He's just not very consistent. He looked good for about 4 games with the Devils and then vanished the last 10 games. But then so did most of the Devils offense. Maybe he'll work out better for Nashville.

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