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03-03-2013, 10:49 AM
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Same here ,he can also fight. He just might just be the tonic we need against the more physical teams in the league
Was this back in his USHL days, 4 years ago?

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Cody Ceci played more games than anyone else in the league (64). He is that good.

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03-03-2013, 10:01 PM
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Was this back in his USHL days, 4 years ago?
Fighting or physical play?

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03-04-2013, 12:10 AM
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Haha let the firestorm begin:

Zibanejad and Couturier tied in points

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Haha let the firestorm begin:

Zibanejad and Couturier tied in points
That's... interesting. Couturier has played 21 games compared to Mika's 17 also.

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03-04-2013, 05:52 AM
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Haha let the firestorm begin:

Zibanejad and Couturier tied in points
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That's... interesting. Couturier has played 21 games compared to Mika's 17 also.
What's interesting about that is that while Zibanejad is the most sheltered player on our team of "nobodies", Couturier is relied on to be the top defensive guy. Both are doing well, but there's a bit of a difference in starting 36% and 68%(!) of your shifts in the offensive zone.

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03-04-2013, 08:17 AM
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What's interesting about that is that while Zibanejad is the most sheltered player on our team of "nobodies", Couturier is relied on to be the top defensive guy. Both are doing well, but there's a bit of a difference in starting 36% and 68%(!) of your shifts in the offensive zone.
Pretty much this...

Also Couturier finishes 48.8% of his shifts in the offensive zone despite starting 36.9% of them in the defensive zone. Zibanejad starts 68.7% in the offensive zone and finishes there only 49.6% of the time. Obviously they are both getting very different kinds of playing time and are being relied upon for different things.

If Couturier were in Ottawa he would be relied upon much, much more for an offensive role.

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03-04-2013, 08:45 AM
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How about all the people who were on the anti-Zibby pro Couturier bandwagon this season. They both have the exact same amount of points this year.

Couturier: 2G 5A 7pts / -6, 42 shots (21 Games)
Zibby: 4G, 3A 7pts / +3, 32 shots (17 Games)

Zibby is the player Sean Couturier is going to try and shut down in their careers, I'd rather have the kid with the skills and the speed (top 6 forward) instead of the 3rd line shut down center.
And to add to this, Z. Smith is more of the type of 3rd line Center I like who is physical and a pest and plays into the emotion of the other team. Couturier is a nice player but he isn't exactly a presence on the ice.

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How about all the people who were on the anti-Zibby pro Couturier bandwagon this season. They both have the exact same amount of points this year.

Couturier: 2G 5A 7pts / -6, 42 shots (21 Games)
Zibby: 4G, 3A 7pts / +3, 32 shots (17 Games)

Zibby is the player Sean Couturier is going to try and shut down in their careers, I'd rather have the kid with the skills and the speed (top 6 forward) instead of the 3rd line shut down center.
And to add to this, Z. Smith is more of the type of 3rd line Center I like who is physical and a pest and plays into the emotion of the other team. Couturier is a nice player but he isn't exactly a presence on the ice.
I think Couturier playing Philly's toughest minutes and Zibanejad our easiest has very much to do with many of us thinking Couturier is doing better work now and probably in the future.

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03-04-2013, 11:17 AM
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Was this back in his USHL days, 4 years ago?
When else could it have been? He was a feared heavy and it's one of the reasons he was drafted, for playing a physical and intimidating game from the backend. Going that route sure worked out for Gryba.

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03-04-2013, 11:30 AM
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When else could it have been? He was a feared heavy and it's one of the reasons he was drafted, for playing a physical and intimidating game from the backend. Going that route sure worked out for Gryba.
Right, we can expect him to be a physical shut down type guy, but if we're expecting some heavy weight Lucic or Carkner type, there's going to be some major disappointment. 'Feared heavy', maybe in the USHL but NHL or even AHL is a completely different story and thankfully Luke and Paul seem to be discouraging our defenseman from dropping the gloves too often. Not a fan of it myself, if we want a glorified punching bag play him as a forward.

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03-04-2013, 12:16 PM
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Right, we can expect him to be a physical shut down type guy, but if we're expecting some heavy weight Lucic or Carkner type, there's going to be some major disappointment. 'Feared heavy', maybe in the USHL but NHL or even AHL is a completely different story and thankfully Luke and Paul seem to be discouraging our defenseman from dropping the gloves too often. Not a fan of it myself, if we want a glorified punching bag play him as a forward.
So you don't want him fighting because he went to college? Or because he's a defenseman? Either way makes no sense, especially given how successful Carkner was in his role here.

If you're expecting him to never drop the gloves, prepare to be disappointed.

EDIT- Just looked at his stats quick, and his 152 PIMS in the 57 games that made up his second and third seasons would seem to back up my point.


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03-04-2013, 12:33 PM
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I think Couturier playing Philly's toughest minutes and Zibanejad our easiest has very much to do with many of us thinking Couturier is doing better work now and probably in the future.
I'm confused at this wording sorry.

But my main point is I don't think Couterier is amazing and We all knew his game would translate quicker to the NHL I think Zibanejad will be just as good or better but more offense oriented and Couterier will be more defense oriented.


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I'm confused at this wording sorry.
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Couturier's shut down skills might not be something you'd want to boast about at this point. He's a shutdown center on an awful defensive team and he plays a part in that. His offensive numbers are pretty disappointing considering the team he's on. He's about the 8th or 9th best producer in terms of forwards on that team.

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03-04-2013, 01:06 PM
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It's not all that surprising...Mika's a more skilled player than Couturier.

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Puempel is the definition of a goalscorer.

Was checking out stats earlier and he's got 29G 9A. Crazy.

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03-04-2013, 03:58 PM
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I'm confused at this wording sorry.

But my main point is I don't think Couterier is amazing and We all knew his game would translate quicker to the NHL I think Zibanejad will be just as good or better but more offense oriented and Couterier will be more defense oriented.
Its alright! The wording was very colloquial.

In essence steffeG wrote that the sens board thinks Couturier is better because he has played harder minutes than Zibanejad.

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03-04-2013, 04:10 PM
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Puempel is the definition of a goalscorer.

Was checking out stats earlier and he's got 29G 9A. Crazy.
One-trick pony.

His lack of speed and the way he gets his goals in junior make me think he is a bust.

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One-trick pony.

His lack of speed and the way he gets his goals in junior make me think he is a bust.
sounds like its straight from the TSN draft video...

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I think Couturier playing Philly's toughest minutes and Zibanejad our easiest has very much to do with many of us thinking Couturier is doing better work now and probably in the future.
Zach Smith takes our toughest minutes by far, but as far as the other centers go, Turris and Zibanejad actually face about the same competition, and both face tougher competition than Regin/SDC/O'Brien (whoever happens to be centering the 4th line that day).

The main knock on Zibanejad would be that he's getting a ton of offensive zone starts - 68% - while most of the other centers on the team are around 50%, and Couturier is at 40-ish. However, as far as quality of competition goes, Zibanejad doesn't play our easiest minutes.

And as a sidenote, comparing o-zone start % to o-zone finish % isn't really a useful stat. Over the course of a season, no matter how many ozone starts a person has, finishes are almost never over 55-60%. You simply can't expect a player getting a lot of ozone starts to have a comparable number of (or more) ozone finishes.

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how do they calculate this "shift end zone" thing? would zibby's stats be skewed in any way because of the fact that he changes on the fly almost every time? what if a player that has a lot of shifts starting in the offensive end gets lots of pressure then the other team dumps it in and the player changes? would that count as a defensive zone shift end?

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03-04-2013, 10:37 PM
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Don't forget Z-bad's poor face-off % (42), which surely must have some explanatory value as to what zone he's entrusted to start in.

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03-04-2013, 11:27 PM
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Don't forget Z-bad's poor face-off % (42), which surely must have some explanatory value as to what zone he's entrusted to start in.
Nice to see someone look at situational stats with some context for once.

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Wait, what?

Couturier: 41.9%
Zibanejad: 42.7%

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