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03-04-2013, 11:38 AM
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Where are the naysayers now?? Oh yeah he scored 3 goals in the last 3 games so now we back off on him...

Your too slow you don't try enough blah blah blah.

To me I see 8 goals in 21 games..a 30 goal pace for a 80 game season.

Keep him on that line with Bouchard and Granlund..seems to be clicking. Also he clearly deserves to be on the top PP.

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Where are the naysayers now?? Oh yeah he scored 3 goals in the last 3 games so now we back off on him...

Your too slow you don't try enough blah blah blah.

To me I see 8 goals in 21 games..a 30 goal pace for a 80 game season.

Keep him on that line with Bouchard and Granlund..seems to be clicking. Also he clearly deserves to be on the top PP.
Would be even better if he showed some respect for Granlund...

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03-04-2013, 11:49 AM
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It's not just the goals though, he's been better with the puck in all three zones.

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Been backchecking like a mofo.

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Where are the naysayers now?? Oh yeah he scored 3 goals in the last 3 games so now we back off on him...

Your too slow you don't try enough blah blah blah.

To me I see 8 goals in 21 games..a 30 goal pace for a 80 game season.

Keep him on that line with Bouchard and Granlund..seems to be clicking. Also he clearly deserves to be on the top PP.
I don't take back anything I said when he went goalless and pointless for 8 games straight. He's playing very well right now, and I give him credit for that. Hopefully he has found a line that he can stick with and continue his production.

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03-04-2013, 12:15 PM
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I still say he is slow as **** and doesn't contribute much in the other two zones. That being said it looks like he is actually trying again. He is okay when he puts in the effort and moves his feet but when he doesn't hes dog ****.

My argument this entire time is that he doesn't belong on the first line. You are the one saying he is our best goal scorer and needs to be with the 1st. I don't really mind him on the PP. But now that he isn't on the 1st line with Mikko and Zach their games seem to be really improving again. Chuck adds a great element to that line that Heater doesn't have. He belongs on the 3rd line with PP time. I really hope Yeo continues to roll these lines for a few games. Hopefully Heater doesn't get lazy again and stop moving his feet.

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03-04-2013, 12:38 PM
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Heatley and Koivese look much better apart than together.

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03-04-2013, 02:45 PM
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Heatley and Koivese look much better apart than together.
It seems to me that when Heatley's with them, he expects them to do all the work and just lies back and waits for the puck to come to him so he can bury it. Now he's doing more, which is good.

I was never particularly fond of the idea of getting rid of him and as long as he keeps on playing like he's playing now (in the long-term), he can stay. But I'm really not sure if he'll be resigned once his contract ends or if it would even be a sensible move.

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03-04-2013, 02:56 PM
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It would make no sense to re-sign a one-legged 25-goal scorer. Maybe if we were Chicago and had 3.5 lines of scorers and could use a PP specialist.

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If the kids pan out and Heatley's not willing to sign cheap (and by this I mean REALLY cheap) and keeps on regressing, then there's no place for him here once his current contract is over. We do need all the scoring help we can get, but I'd hope that by then there are other options besides Heatley.

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The 3rd line seems like a good spot for a player that is going to take games off for whatever reason. Even better would be buying that player out when you get a free oppurtunity to do so in the off season.

In the mean time....keep on scoring Dany!!!

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03-04-2013, 11:03 PM
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I think we only complained about his speed and him being on the first line. Now off the first line and producing, it's a dream come true.

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03-04-2013, 11:20 PM
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oh, the humanity. Stats people: compare Parise and koivu's ES points per TOI with Heatley and without. I don't know what it'll be--im just curious.

At least Jarick is implying a physical flaw and not a character flaw, which makes more sense but I still don't agree with it.

re-signing is a question for later, after a few of our young forwards have had another year to mature. buying out is just dumb unless you are very confident you can replace his offense. TOI per goal for Parise is 6 minutes more than Heatley, and Parise gets half a minute more PP time per night, so Heatley isn't a PP specialist any more than Parise is.

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I still say he is slow as **** and doesn't contribute much in the other two zones. That being said it looks like he is actually trying again. He is okay when he puts in the effort and moves his feet but when he doesn't hes dog ****.

My argument this entire time is that he doesn't belong on the first line. You are the one saying he is our best goal scorer and needs to be with the 1st. I don't really mind him on the PP. But now that he isn't on the 1st line with Mikko and Zach their games seem to be really improving again. Chuck adds a great element to that line that Heater doesn't have. He belongs on the 3rd line with PP time. I really hope Yeo continues to roll these lines for a few games. Hopefully Heater doesn't get lazy again and stop moving his feet.
That I never said. Clearly #11 is the best option for goal scoring on this team..Heater would be #2. I said he is the top option for that top line alongside Zach and Mikko..

Although he is tied for 1st on the team in goals...anybody want to complain about his foot speed or his inability to mesh with linemates now?

I still think he is better off playing with Koivu and Parise but that is for another time..right now I agree with you in the fact that I too hope Yeo rolls with these lines. They were great in Phoenix and great again against Edmonton.

As for Coyle on that first line well you know how I feel about it at least this early in his career before he has proven much but lets just let that die for now. It seems we aren't going to agree so we can agree to disagree?

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03-05-2013, 01:01 AM
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oh, the humanity. Stats people: compare Parise and koivu's ES points per TOI with Heatley and without. I don't know what it'll be--im just curious.

At least Jarick is implying a physical flaw and not a character flaw, which makes more sense but I still don't agree with it.

re-signing is a question for later, after a few of our young forwards have had another year to mature. buying out is just dumb unless you are very confident you can replace his offense. TOI per goal for Parise is 6 minutes more than Heatley, and Parise gets half a minute more PP time per night, so Heatley isn't a PP specialist any more than Parise is.
I would really like to see the comparison between production with Coyle and production with Heatley. Im assuming the latter would destroy the first.

This is interesting..but he can't skate?? We should scratch him for Konopka. Yeo should bench his A@@. He's washed up. Has no heart. Hands slowed down.

Oh yeah and Parise is god. Heatley just scores cause he gets lucky. He doesn't have any talent left. He's done.

^was the sentiment of the Wild faithful before Heatley had his 2 goal game and now very good games to back that up. Now he gets praise from the same people about his effort and back checking...which they wouldn't have noticed had he not scored the goals.

"When he scores he is god...if he doesn't score he was brutal."-typical Wild poster last month

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He belongs on the 3rd line with PP time.
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The 3rd line seems like a good spot for a player that is going to take games off for whatever reason.
Might be worth you guys to note the ice time that line has received..essentially Heatley/Bouchard are getting equal ice time to Zucker/Setoguchi.

It isn't as much a 3rd line anymore than it is a 2nd line. Only thing that makes it seem like a 2nd line is Cullen getting more ice than Granlund due to PP and PK time. Even strength those two lines are dead equal.

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03-05-2013, 03:54 AM
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I would really like to see the comparison between production with Coyle and production with Heatley. Im assuming the latter would destroy the first.

This is interesting..but he can't skate?? We should scratch him for Konopka. Yeo should bench his A@@. He's washed up. Has no heart. Hands slowed down.

Oh yeah and Parise is god. Heatley just scores cause he gets lucky. He doesn't have any talent left. He's done.

^was the sentiment of the Wild faithful before Heatley had his 2 goal game and now very good games to back that up. Now he gets praise from the same people about his effort and back checking...which they wouldn't have noticed had he not scored the goals.

"When he scores he is god...if he doesn't score he was brutal."-typical Wild poster last month
Last month Heater was not only not scoring, he was drifting around on the ice, giving passes away to the opponent, and quite frankly just not trying at all.

He has been way better in most areas, yes, but his new, motivated play lately does not take away from his bad play just a couple weeks ago.

I remember what I saw.

This issue has way more depth to it than just him scoring, which is nice to see now, but he needs to continue his hard play and scoring.

You can come off your soapbox now.

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03-05-2013, 10:12 AM
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Where are the naysayers now?? Oh yeah he scored 3 goals in the last 3 games so now we back off on him...

Your too slow you don't try enough blah blah blah.

To me I see 8 goals in 21 games..a 30 goal pace for a 80 game season.

Keep him on that line with Bouchard and Granlund..seems to be clicking. Also he clearly deserves to be on the top PP.
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That I never said. Clearly #11 is the best option for goal scoring on this team..Heater would be #2. I said he is the top option for that top line alongside Zach and Mikko..

Although he is tied for 1st on the team in goals...anybody want to complain about his foot speed or his inability to mesh with linemates now?

I still think he is better off playing with Koivu and Parise but that is for another time..right now I agree with you in the fact that I too hope Yeo rolls with these lines. They were great in Phoenix and great again against Edmonton.

As for Coyle on that first line well you know how I feel about it at least this early in his career before he has proven much but lets just let that die for now. It seems we aren't going to agree so we can agree to disagree?
Make up your mind.
I like him better on the 3rd line. He seems to be trying more. I did not like him on the 1st line.

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We all know the real cause of his bad play... he was adjusting to his new turtleneck.

You can't expect a ****ing allstar to perform with out a ****ing turtleneck.

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We all know the real cause of his bad play... he was adjusting to his new turtleneck.

You can't expect a ****ing allstar to perform with out a ****ing turtleneck.
"Yeah you know, I got this new turtleneck and it was itchy. I couldn't concentrate during the games. I had to keep adjusting it on my neck, you know. But it's worn in now and yeah you know, I'm good to go now--scoring some goals so people think we had a good game."

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Not enough cursing.

You can't even compare Heatley's defensive play with Parise. Several levels apart. Heatley just doesn't have the legs Parise does. Maybe if he did, I'd rip him for being lazy, but clearly he's not strong and healthy. Parise blocks shots, hustles up and down the boards, defends his area of the ice very well, I mean there's a reason he's on the PK and Heatley isn't.

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Not enough cursing.

You can't even compare Heatley's defensive play with Parise. Several levels apart. Heatley just doesn't have the legs Parise does. Maybe if he did, I'd rip him for being lazy, but clearly he's not strong and healthy. Parise blocks shots, hustles up and down the boards, defends his area of the ice very well, I mean there's a reason he's on the PK and Heatley isn't.
Ha! If there were no censors, I'd have put some f-bombs in there.

I think if Heatley and Granlund are allowed to play together for longer than Yeo's average of a few games, they'll start putting up some points.

Really, though...as long as Heater is putting forth effort, he's fine.

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He really was bad. He was really bad. But I'm glad I was wrong. I thought he might struggle with some minor injury though. But I really hope he continues to prove me wrong.

I loved him last season... want to do it again.

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he was really bad when the whole team was really bad. huge shock. the really predictable part of it is people need to find a goat, and like the lions in africa they pick out the slowest in the herd to kill.

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