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03-05-2013, 11:44 AM
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Plus, GMs are "forced" to trade players for various reasons all the time. Few GMs, if any, have the luxury of total flexibility and unlimited time and cash in all their dealings.
Sure, but if a GM forces himself into a corner with a dumb deal, he should be maligned for it.

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03-05-2013, 11:45 AM
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The 'superstar' at least earned his contract.

This deal reiterates how GMGM can be leveraged by nobodies in contract negotiations. It limits the organization's future flexibility for no good reason. If Oleksy was actually coveted by any other team, he'd have been signed already.
Do you want to make a bet that this move doesn't singlehandedly cost the Caps the Cup?

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Do you want to make a bet that this move doesn't singlehandedly cost the Caps the Cup?
Of course not, but you seem to be completely missing the point.

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03-05-2013, 11:46 AM
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Some fans put a far lower value on toughness and its importance than others. Plain and simple. If you value toughness than this roster spot and two way contract is chicken feed and a bargain. If you don't like toughness you will look for a reason to not like this contract. Sorry Wiz. I can see through you on this one.

Great signing to me and its taken GMGM FAR TOO long to realize how soft this team has been on the backend for years. Didnt GMGM let Engelland walk? Didn't he let Oduya walk?
Yes, Johnny Oduya. Real epitome of toughness there, with his two career NHL fights and no more than 33 PIM in a season since 2008.

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Of course not, but you seem to be completely missing the point.
Which is what? That a guy who we don't even know is a bust or beast yet is a bad signing at 3 years?

Sorry, but I'm not getting on the panic train with you yet.

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Which is what? That a guy who we don't even know is a bust or beast yet is a bad signing at 3 years?

Sorry, but I'm not getting on the panic train with you yet.
His point is pretty darn simple. There was no need for McPhee to occupy a contract slot for three years with this player. He could have been signed for less term.

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Yes, Johnny Oduya. Real epitome of toughness there, with his two career NHL fights and no more than 33 PIM in a season since 2008.
Ha I bet he had more hits in one game than our entire D does some nights when Erskine isn't playing!

Oduya has been underrated physically for some time. He had a bit of a rep in the SEL that made alot of us back at the time hope he would make the Caps.

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Which is what? That a guy who we don't even know is a bust or beast yet is a bad signing at 3 years?

Sorry, but I'm not getting on the panic train with you yet.
That there's no reason to give a player with Oleksy's resume a multi-year deal, it sets a bad precedent with other players, and takes away future contract flexibility for no reason.

Why would any vet player sign a one-year deal with the Caps now that they've given Steven ****ing Oleksy a 3-year deal? Let's say the Caps want to pursue Marek Zidlicky or Lubomir Visnovsky this summer. If GMGM offers a one-year deal, I guarantee their agents will come right back and say something to the effect of "well if you believe Steven Oleksy deserves a 3-year deal, my guy surely deserves it too".

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Dreger said we just waived Hammer, can't imagine anyone picks up that contract.

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I worry that this has more to do with him being a right shot than anything... I guess we'll see.
Per Oates, via Katie, this is indeed the case.

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Dreger said we just waived Hammer, can't imagine anyone picks up that contract.
I'd be surprised if no team does, frankly. Somebody will take a chance on an expiring vet defenseman.

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Per Oates, via Katie, this is indeed the case.
Yeah, that was what prompted by post (should have added it). I guess it was either him or Flemming.

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I'd be surprised if no team does, frankly. Somebody will take a chance on an expiring vet defenseman.
I hope you're right.

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I hope you're right.
Meh, it won't have any effect on the Caps. It's not like they don't have the cap space to make a move already.

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There are some people on here who are complaining louder about this signing than they did about the Jeff Schultz signing a few years back! haha

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I worry that this has more to do with him being a right shot than anything... I guess we'll see.
Ding ding ding....

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I can name at leat 5 players in our system that are more of a waste of the contract slot. Stevenson, Anderson, Hamrlik, Schultz, Paquette, Sjogren, Clackson, LeBlanc. That's 8. I'd rather have Oleksy under contract than any of them.

Great signing, I thought about that one two days ago.
Schultz is more of a waste of a contract slot? Seriously?

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That there's no reason to give a player with Oleksy's resume a multi-year deal, it sets a bad precedent with other players, and takes away future contract flexibility for no reason.

Why would any vet player sign a one-year deal with the Caps now that they've given Steven ****ing Oleksy a 3-year deal? Let's say the Caps want to pursue Marek Zidlicky or Lubomir Visnovsky this summer. If GMGM offers a one-year deal, I guarantee their agents will come right back and say something to the effect of "well if you believe Steven Oleksy deserves a 3-year deal, my guy surely deserves it too".
Again...Do you want to make a bet that this move doesn't singlehandedly cost the Caps the Cup? How is winning the Cup not the real "point" of critiquing any move, or speculated moves?

Why don't we see if this guy's worth the contract first before *****ing about it.

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Again...Do you want to make a bet that this move doesn't singlehandedly cost the Caps the Cup? How is winning the Cup not the real "point" of critiquing any move, or speculated moves?

Why don't we see if this guy's worth the contract first before *****ing about it.
Why didn't we see if this guy was worth the contract before signing him to it?

And the whole 'bet' thing is just a nonsensical concept. Very few moves singlehandedly cost any team the Cup. It's always a culmination of moves.

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I'd be surprised if no team does, frankly. Somebody will take a chance on an expiring vet defenseman.
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I hope you're right.
McKenzie agrees with NBTW. Hope they're both right.

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Does McKenzie know how much George covets RHD?

Oates may well have led the charge to ink him based on his comments.

George thinks it will be a bargain in year 3. If not, waive him.


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Adding fringe players who can fight isn't really addressing the problem. The players who have to go out and win the games need to be tougher. Adding toughness at the margins of the lineup does help somewhat, but it doesn't address the fundamental issues.
I've seen Olie play a lot. He will certainly add toughness but he is not stupid with it. He is a pretty smart defenseman who thinks "D" first but can push the puck a little as well. I expect him to be a stay at home guy and won't goon it up unless someone asks him to. I don't see him trying Lucic right out of the gate tonight but McQuaid, Thornton or Campbell may be options just to show he is willing and able.

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Does McKenzie know much George covets RHD?

Oates may well have led the charge to ink him based on his comments.

George thinks it will be a bargain in year 3. If not, waive him.
He was referring to Hamrlik getting claimed.

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False.

I like toughness. I don't like 27 year-old career minor-leaguers getting more than 1-year deals.

Ahhh....the voice of reason.


I don't buy the "if you like toughness, you like this contract" argument.

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