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03-05-2013, 02:34 PM
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If the OP added a 2nd, that package might get you Gaborik, maybe?

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Looking at Perron from the Blues, but not for either McD or Staal.

MDZ...maybe and that's probably a non-starter for the Blues.

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03-05-2013, 02:36 PM
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I fail at reading comprehension.

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If the OP added a 2nd, that package might get you Gaborik, maybe?
Maybe not.

Do not want Jackman and Stewart is to tempermental.

Perron and Berglund and a 1st for Gaborik, Boyle and Del Zotto

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03-05-2013, 02:37 PM
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Looking at Perron from the Blues, but not for either McD or Staal.

MDZ...maybe and that's probably a non-starter for the Blues.
We'd want McD or Staal and we'd add. MDZ doesn't fill the mold that we'd want, and you have to add him.

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Are you delusional?

Shattenkirk >>> MDZ
Please tell me all Rangers fans aren't this bad?
That's why he said Del Zotto+

We're not all bad, but it would help if you looked a little harder

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Maybe not.

Do not want Jackman and Stewart is to tempermental.

Perron and Berglund and a 1st for Gaborik, Boyle and Del Zotto
Anything with Gaborik is a no.

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03-05-2013, 02:39 PM
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That's why he said Del Zotto+

We're not all bad, but it would help if you looked a little harder
Yep, I completely failed at reading comprehension, my bad.

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03-05-2013, 02:40 PM
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Maybe not.

Do not want Jackman and Stewart is to tempermental.

Perron and Berglund and a 1st for Gaborik, Boyle and Del Zotto
Trading Berglund is a non starter the Blues have no center depth. Also as has been said many times the Blues cannot afford Gaborik so we have zero interest in trading for him.

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03-05-2013, 02:42 PM
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We'd want McD or Staal and we'd add. MDZ doesn't fill the mold that we'd want, and you have to add him.
think that a MDZ for Perron deal would be more than fair.

However considering needs I can see why there is no match.

If Sather wasn't willing to include MDZ in a deal for Ryan O'Reilly, don't see him including MDZ and an addition for Perron.

I like Perron, think that he's one hell of a hockey player. I think that O'Reilly brings more to the game than Perron and would be willing to part with a bit more for him. That said, I believe a MDZ for RO'R deal even up is also fair.

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Contending teams in need of goals do not give up their scorers for that reason.

He has struggled massively this season. 5 of his 7 goals have come in 2 games. Half of his points have come in 2 games, and 78.5% of his points have come in 4 games.
I would probably prefer moving Gaborik in the offseason, but I believe that this trade would make the Rangers a better team.

Your comments regarding Gaborik are a bit confusing though, you are saying that the Rangers shouldn't trade Gaborik but at the same time saying that he's terrible?

I'm not a fan of Gaborik's style and don't think he fits the team well enough, an STL fan brought up the idea (with a terrible proposal) to trade for Gaborik and Del Zotto. I merely presented a counter offer.

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03-05-2013, 02:46 PM
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I would probably prefer moving Gaborik in the offseason, but I believe that this trade would make the Rangers a better team.

Your comments regarding Gaborik are a bit confusing though, you are saying that the Rangers shouldn't trade Gaborik but at the same time saying that he's terrible.

I'm not a fan of Gaborik's style and don't think he fits the team well enough, an STL fan brought up the idea (with a terrible proposal) to trade for Gaborik and Del Zotto. I merely presented a counter offer.
My first line was using the logic of some of the Rangers fans, and the second line was showing how bad that logic was.

The Blues have scored more goals than the Rangers. The Rangers might have more top end talent, but the Blues have way more scoring depth and it's not close. The Rangers need Gaborik more than the Blues.

Regardless Gaborik sucks this season and would not help us all that much. If a team that needs goals keeps offering up a goal scorer, that says a lot about that player.

We don't want Gaborik because we literally can't afford him and he sucks this season.

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03-05-2013, 02:48 PM
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think that a MDZ for Perron deal would be more than fair.

However considering needs I can see why there is no match.

If Sather wasn't willing to include MDZ in a deal for Ryan O'Reilly, don't see him including MDZ and an addition for Perron.

I like Perron, think that he's one hell of a hockey player. I think that O'Reilly brings more to the game than Perron and would be willing to part with a bit more for him. That said, I believe a MDZ for RO'R deal even up is also fair.
He just isn't the player that we want. Simple as that. We don't want MDZ.

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03-05-2013, 02:51 PM
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My first line was using the logic of some of the Rangers fans, and the second line was showing how bad that logic was.

The Blues have scored more goals than the Rangers. The Rangers might have more top end talent, but the Blues have way more scoring depth and it's not close. The Rangers need Gaborik more than the Blues.

Regardless Gaborik sucks this season and would not help us all that much. If a team that needs goals keeps offering up a goal scorer, that says a lot about that player.

We don't want Gaborik because we literally can't afford him and he sucks this season.
I'm not really worried about goals, the Rangers are currently shooting at an unsustainably low rate that will start regressing upwards. The goals will come.

What this trade did from my perspective was adding proven NHL talent that we can afford to keep, while giving up an elite talent that will be too expensive and a very promising young player that is not fully utilized on his current team.

But since the Blues cannot afford Gaborik and Steen is vital to their center depth, I 100% get why the Blues don't do the proposed trade.

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03-05-2013, 03:55 PM
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MDZ would be interesting. I believe he and Petro grew up playing together and are really good friends. I think Perron (healthy) is worth a little more than MDZ, and I believe the Blues would be better off trying to find a more physical D-man to play with Petro. Maybe they should just let Cole play there and hope he continues to improve.

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03-06-2013, 07:10 PM
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NYR gets a defensive defenseman to stabilize the D core
Congratulations on predicting Marc Staal's horrific injury, but Girardi and Mcdonagh are still a solid defensive core.

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03-07-2013, 02:41 AM
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Reaction to MDZ ranges from no, not our guy to interesting.
Since Tarascenko is understandably off the table, then looks like it needs to be Shattenkirk for NY.

This means Blues need righty replacement for KS, + profit,
Rangers would need ore also for balance,

would have to be
Girardi + MDZ + x
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Shattenkirk + y

we might have been able to do this before, but with Staal out a bit, can't part with 2 for 1, even as upgrade, we can't do it right now.

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Reaction to MDZ ranges from no, not our guy to interesting.
Since Tarascenko is understandably off the table, then looks like it needs to be Shattenkirk for NY.

This means Blues need righty replacement for KS, + profit,
Rangers would need ore also for balance,

would have to be
Girardi + MDZ + x
for
Shattenkirk + y

we might have been able to do this before, but with Staal out a bit, can't part with 2 for 1, even as upgrade, we can't do it right now.
It's awful anyway... Shattenkirk is the best defenseman in the deal, but not by that much and who did you want in our top 4 now: Gilroy or Bickel...?

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The Blues will not trade Shattenkirk for a MDZ package. No point in trying to figure out pieces.

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I still think Perron would look good for the Rangers. Seems the Rangers need another offensive player and the Blues need a shake-up.

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I still think Perron would look good for the Rangers. Seems the Rangers need another offensive player and the Blues need a shake-up.
Derek Stepan would look good in a Blues jersey....

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