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The End of Hugo Chavez?

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03-04-2013, 09:57 PM
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The End of Hugo Chavez?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/04/world/...html?hpt=hp_t2

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Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez is fighting a new infection, and his breathing problems have worsened, Information Minister Ernesto Villegas said late Monday.

"There is a worsening of the respiratory function," he said, reading an official statement on state-run VTV.

Villegas reported Chavez is battling a new and "severe" infection, stressing that his overall condition remains "delicate."

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The comments to that article are disgusting. I'm not fan of the guy, but come on.

Anyway, yeah, it doesn't look good for him. It will be interesting to see what happens in Venezuela if he doesn't come out of it.

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The comments to that article are disgusting. I'm not fan of the guy, but come on.

Anyway, yeah, it doesn't look good for him. It will be interesting to see what happens in Venezuela if he doesn't come out of it.
He's been responsible for a lot of suffering for the families of his political opponents, so forgive me if I don't shed any crocodile tears for the man's demise. I'll be just as happy when Mugabe dies.

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He dead

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http://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS/st...59634168229888
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RT @AP: BREAKING: Venezuelan Vice President Nicolas Maduro says President Hugo Chavez has died.

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He ws a terrible person and a dictator and a power abusing clown

Hopefully things in Venezuela get better with him gone

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He ws a terrible person and a dictator and a power abusing clown

Hopefully things in Venezuela get better with him gone
Power struggle is a possibility.

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Official now

Champagne must me flowing at the White House right now

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Sounds like the new guy in charge hates the US just as much

Said Chavez's cancer was deliberate attack by US and Venezuela's enemies

Haters gonna hate

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What did Hugo Chavez actually do to merit the unbridled delight at his death from cancer? Disgusting.

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Cue 100 days of North Korea-style mourning.

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What did Hugo Chavez actually do to merit the unbridled delight at his death from cancer? Disgusting.
I don't know...repression of political opposition? Trashing the United States? He was generally a clown and defiant Anti-Amurrrrican. So forgive me if I don't bawl my eyes out at his demise

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I mean FDR had 4 terms too but he wasn't as abusive as Hugo Chavez

That guy was just a power hungry despot

4 straight terms

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I don't know...repression of political opposition? Trashing the United States? He was generally a clown and defiant Anti-Amurrrrican. So forgive me if I don't bawl my eyes out at his demise
Examples? The democratic process in Venezuela generally got decent international ratings. So he wasn't a US fan boy, big deal.

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Examples? The democratic process in Venezuela generally got decent international ratings. So he wasn't a US fan boy, big deal.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...avez-dies?lite

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Adored or reviled for his self-styled populist revolution, Chavez held sway over Venezuela through a cult of personality, government reforms that championed the downtrodden, and an endless stream of rhetoric denouncing capitalism, imperialism and the United States.

The "Chavistas" praised El Comandante for reducing extreme poverty and expanding access to health care and education. Critics blamed him for high inflation, food shortages, escalating crime and mismanagement of the country’s oil industry.

Human rights groups lambasted him for politicizing the judicial branch, and undermining the democratic system of checks and balances.

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He's been responsible for a lot of suffering for the families of his political opponents, so forgive me if I don't shed any crocodile tears for the man's demise. I'll be just as happy when Mugabe dies.
I don't like Chavez, but I will be much happier the day Mugabe dies, that should be a global holiday.

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Sounds like the new guy in charge hates the US just as much

Said Chavez's cancer was deliberate attack by US and Venezuela's enemies

Haters gonna hate
I wonder what's going to happen now ? Are they going to have elections or is the new guy going to take it from there and continue the Chavez government ? Will external forces meddle in and try to install a puppet regime ? Danger of civil war ?

Love him or hate him Chavez has been the face of Venezuela for a while and did a good job at holding the country together after everything that transpired in 2002-2003 with the coup attempt and all. His death may have some kind of repercussions. Should be interesting to follow.

And while i think Chavez was a bit of a ********* , i don't think he was as bad as many other dictators in the world. I cannot say that i was supporting him because i have strong suspicions that he rigged elections but it could have been much worse imho.

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Politicising the 'Judicial Branch', that's laughable, it's a US national pastime.

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Examples? The democratic process in Venezuela generally got decent international ratings. So he wasn't a US fan boy, big deal.
I personally know some Venezuelan ex-pats and none of them, not a one, have anything good to say about Chavez and his reign. Just ordinary, every day people. Small sample size of course.

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Politicising the 'Judicial Branch', that's laughable, it's a US national pastime.
He revised the constitution several times to give himself 4 consecutive terms. Kind of like what Michael Bloomberg did. But Bloomberg isn't president.

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Chavez was low rate dictator

Not really important enough to really be taken seriously

Didn't commit the crimes or violations internationally compared to many others. The biggest aspect of Hugo Chavez that caused issues IMO was his constant going out of his way to start things

- Threatening to sell the nations F-16 fighter jets to Iran was nothing more then attempt to engage US in his rhetoric/BS and feed his image

- Constantly supporting rebels in Columbia and threatening that nation's security was just not smart. Simple reality in a shooting war Columbia is better equipped and US would support them 100%

- Consolidating power for 1 man control of his country showed he wanted to be bigger power then he could achieve

I wont take pleasure in his death and he isn't comparable to scum like Mugabe who have far more blood on there hands. But I do think it is chance for start over with regard to US/Venezuela relationship. We shall see if things change once the rhetoric stops in coming weeks and actual diplomatic talks get going

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I don't like Chavez, but I will be much happier the day Mugabe dies, that should be a global holiday.
There are few leaders in the history of mankind who are as solely responsible for the destruction of their countries as Mugabe. Way, way, way worse than Chavez.

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I personally know some Venezuelan ex-pats and none of them, not a one, have anything good to say about Chavez and his reign. Small sample size of course.
He appears to have been wildly popular with the poor, even though many of his promises about ending poverty actually accomplished the opposite.

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Obama must be so sad one of his heroes is gone.

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