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The End of Hugo Chavez?

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03-05-2013, 05:42 PM
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I don't like Chavez, but I will be much happier the day Mugabe dies, that should be a global holiday.
Agreed. It would be hard to run a country into the ground more effectively than Mugabe has.

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He appears to have been wildly popular with the poor, even though many of his promises about ending poverty actually accomplished the opposite.
The folks we know and their families were middle class. Their fortunes changed and not for the better.

But again, small sample size.

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03-05-2013, 05:43 PM
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Unlikely the VP will manage to stay in power. Struggle between the military and oil barons.

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VP also has very little political base

He was Hugo's VP because he wasn't a threat politically

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There are few leaders in the history of mankind who are as solely responsible for the destruction of their countries as Mugabe. Way, way, way worse than Chavez.
Mugabe is an ******* , scum and terrible excuse for a human beinf but i think Al-Bashir is even worse. He's the ****head behind the genocide in Darfur and that imho is hard to top.

Either way the world would be better off with both these guys six feet under.

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03-05-2013, 05:47 PM
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Ha, like a true caudillo, only death has taken power from him.

Now to see the vile troupe of s.o.b.'s try to raise to the top. I want to know if if the international lefty community will get behind evil thugs like Diosdado Cabello, and dumb thugs like Nicolas Maduro.

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03-05-2013, 05:50 PM
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Mugabe is an ******* , scum and terrible excuse for a human beinf but i think Al-Bashir is even worse. He's the ****head behind the genocide in Darfur and that imho is hard to top.

Either way the world would be better off with both these guys six feet under.
this thread is going to be 40 pages long if we start getting into all the horrendous leaders of various African nations.

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03-05-2013, 05:52 PM
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God obviously hates Cuba and Cubans if Chavez gets the gift of an early demise (and if you die under 65, it is a gift) while the Castros couldn't die if you shot them point blank.

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Obama must be so sad one of his heroes is gone.
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this thread is going to be 40 pages long if we start getting into all the horrendous leaders of various African nations.
Very true

Hugo to me ranked very low on scale of things. Only reason he got attention was because of the stunts he pulled in media and the fact the world media hyped him up to be the counter to George Bush in West

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So it has begun, lol:



"We have no doubt, and the time will come in history when we can create a scientific commission to show that Comandante Chávez was attacked with this disease…We have no doubt that our fatherland’s historic enemies looked for a way to harm our Comandante’s health… We already have plenty of clues about this, it’s a very serious matter that will have to be investigated by a special committee of scientists.”

Hahaha. We have no doubt he was killed, we'll set-up a scientific commission to confirm us being right.

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Very true

Hugo to me ranked very low on scale of things. Only reason he got attention was because of the stunts he pulled in media and the fact the world media hyped him up to be the counter to George Bush in West
Yeah, he behaved as somewhat of a dictator, but he just had a different political philosophy and didn't starve or brutalize his people.

GDP increased by about a factor of 4 during Chavez' tenure. It would be hard to argue that his policies didn't have some positive impacts on the nations.


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Hahaha. We have no doubt he was killed, we'll set-up a scientific commission to confirm us being right.
NYRFAN88 and tape to tape will be on the scientific commission.

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Yeah, he was a dictator, but he just had a different political philosophy and didn't starve or brutalize his people.

GDP increased by about a factor of 4 during Chavez' tenure. It would be hard to argue that his policies didn't have some positive impacts on the nations.
Considering that Venezuela's industrial output has decreased in such a way due to his policies, and that imports have been needed to meet demand, and that shortages of food have become common place I would wager that that increase is mostly due to his luck of being elected during an oil boom.

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this thread is going to be 40 pages long if we start getting into all the horrendous leaders of various African nations.
Well i guess you're right

Lot of ******** dictators in that part of the world so i guess it's pointless to argue which one is worse.

I'll just say that Chavez was pale in comparison to some of these guys


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Considering that Venezuela's industrial output has decreased in such a way due to his policies, and that imports have been needed to meet demand, and that shortages of food have become common place I would wager that that increase is mostly due to his luck of being elected during an oil boom.
While it's hard to find reliable statistics, I would guess that food consumption in Venezuela has increased since the mid 1990s and that food shortages aren't any more common now than they were previously. Venezuela's economy was a mess during much of the '80s and '90s.

Also, Venezuela's economy has been heavily dependent on oil for at least half a century. That is not an issue unique to Chavez' presidency.

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Whatever you think about his polices he was not a dictator. He was democratically elected by his people.

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Agreed. It would be hard to run a country into the ground more effectively than Mugabe has.

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Whatever you think about his polices he was not a dictator. He was democratically elected by his people.
Dictators can be democratically elected.

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Whatever you think about his polices he was not a dictator. He was democratically elected by his people.
Please, do not simplify things to the point of clarity...just ruins a good session of gob frothing.

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While it's hard to find reliable statistics, I would guess that food consumption in Venezuela has increased since the mid 1990s and that food shortages aren't any more common now than they were previously. Venezuela's economy was a mess during much of the '80s and '90s.

Also, Venezuela's economy has been heavily dependent on oil for at least half a century. That is not an issue unique to Chavez' presidency.
If that is true why haven't producers been able to meet the demand?

I don't really believe that shortages were as common as they are now, and I know this is anecdotal, but I would have heard something, along with my family who are still there (and who aren't rich "Imperio" puppets)

It's always been a mess, even when it was "good" in the 70s, as oil dependency is never a good thing, and specially now.

It was exarcebated with Chavez, however, you don't use PDVSA as your government's personal piggy bank/accounting black hole and don't suffer the consequences.

Something tells me that with the dramatically less charismatic political upper class the international media will be a bit less forgiving with the administration's **** ups.

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So much crying by the radical left over this piece of ***** death. If there is a hell, he will burn in hell. Good riddence!

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