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IIHF proposal: A "Ryder Cup" between North America and Europe (Post #30 for link)

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03-05-2013, 05:36 PM
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IIHF proposal: A "Ryder Cup" between North America and Europe (Post #30 for link)

I just read in Swedish news that IIHF president René Fasel has an idea about a proposed "Ryder Cup style" tournament between North America and Europe instead of a new World Cup, not very detailed information so far though except he suggested a best of 7-format, probably between some kind of "All Star teams" from said continents.

I searched for such a topic on here and found some similar idea from a couple years ago about Bob Nicholson proposing a similar idea but between the US and Canada. That's pretty much all the info I have so far, but how do you guys like that idea?

EDIT: Here's a Google Translate version of the article, originally from Swedish tabloid Expressen.

http://translate.google.com/translat...cup%2F&act=url


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Don't like it. I feel no brotherhood with Americans. It also removes my two favorite parts of international hockey: cheering on Canada and beating the Yanks.

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Seems interesting, but would they be able to do something other than just a regular game (like how in the Ryder Cup there are different types of golf)

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Don't like it. I feel no brotherhood with Americans. It also removes my two favorite parts of international hockey: cheering on Canada and beating the Yanks.
As an American, I'm the exact opposite. I generally root for Canada when they aren't playing USA. But even still, I don't like this Ryder Cup thing.

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so basically it would still make hockey a north american and some of europe thing.

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As a hockey fan I have a hard time claiming that I wouldn't watch something like this, especially if it was in late August sort of thing like the World Cup -but I don't really like the idea. If the teams are composed of multiple nations, it's hard to be nationalistic and seems more like a North America vs the World all star game. Who runs the training camp and picks the rosters? It seems like a gimmick to me. I don't have any better suggestions though so that may be telling.

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Good luck having Hockey Canada agree to a situation where either they a) cede control of a NA team to an American GM or b) have to justify to legions of Canadian fans why they chose Patrick Kane over a comparable Canadian player.

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It's not that I don't feel affinity for Canada -- I like 'em just fine -- but there's no emotional impulse for me to want to side with them in an international tournament. I'd imagine that Swedes feel the same about Slovaks, Russians about Finns, etc. The whole thing would feel very forced, at least to me.

The Ryder Cup has always struck me as strange for the same reason.

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No thank you. NHL season is already too long. (And to the OP, haven't heard a thing.)

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As an American, I'm the exact opposite. I generally root for Canada when they aren't playing USA. But even still, I don't like this Ryder Cup thing.
Don't worry, most of us Canucks love y'all Yanks.

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Finally!!! What took someone so long...

...to come up with an idea that seems even more contrived and arbitrary than turning the Olympic tournament into a U23 competition?

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Finally!!! What took someone so long...

...to come up with an idea that seems even more contrived and arbitrary than turning the Olympic tournament into a U23 competition?
Yeah, not sure if I want this to replace the Olympic tourney. It would be fun as an exhibition, and the best of 7 format is something new.

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The quality of hockey won't improve enough over the big national teams.

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if we're doing something like this, I'd just say forget Europe and have a best-of-seven between the U.S. and Canadian national teams.

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Lol, yeah do this and watch Europe win 7 out of 7. The overall depth of quality in Europe is far better than in the US and Canada, just on numbers alone.

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How would you determine the roster? Would you split it evenly amongst the countries so they all have equal representation? That wouldn't be fair for either side.

Would you take the best players available? That wouldn't be fair for either side either.

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North America vs. the World ran it's course in the All Star Game.

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This would be cool once or twice, but then it would get old.

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The Ryder Cup has always struck me as strange for the same reason.
The Ryder Cup was originally a US/UK thing, which made a lot more sense. It was expanded because of a decline in the quality of British and Irish golfers as well as the rise of several Spanish stars... basically, it needed the whole of Europe to stay relevant

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Dumb idea. You already have the World Championships during April. These guys have played enough hockey for the year. They gotta shut it down in the summer and come back healthy during camp in September. I don't want someone from the Ducks getting injured because of this useless tournament.

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There's no purpose for such a tournament, nor is there a demand for it. It's not going to bring new fans to the sport, and will essentially only be a pointless spectacle that will put players at risk of unnecessary injury. The Ryder Cup only exists because there are not enough countries strong enough in the sport to compete in a true international championship. That's not the case for hockey. If they want another best-on-best in the summer time, then bring back the World Cup, expand it to 12 teams and make it an officially sanctioned IIHF event in lieu of a World Championship that year (the #13-16 teams can play in a separate round robin tournament for seeding and relegation purposes in those years). This Euro/NA tournament would just be pointless, emotionless shinny.


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Fasel is such a moron. How he heads any organization is beyond me.

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The Ryder Cup was originally a US/UK thing, which made a lot more sense. It was expanded because of a decline in the quality of British and Irish golfers as well as the rise of several Spanish stars... basically, it needed the whole of Europe to stay relevant
Also the Ryder Cup works cause Europeans will always put aside their differences to beat the Yanks.

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Wow. One of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard.

"Hey, let's take a failed all star game format and stretch it out over seven games"

If this is the level of thinking coming from the IIHF, I understand a lot better why the NHL gives them so little respect.

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Not sure how I feel about this (although let's not kid, I'd watch it).

I actually really liked the NA vs. world format. I'd be all for bringing it back. Although, just call it N.A. vs Europe.

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