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03-05-2013, 10:30 PM
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If NYR want more depth right now,

Flippula (top 6 winger or good 3rd line C), Cleary/Eaves/Abdelkader (3rd/4th line Winger), White (Top 4 Right shooting D).

Problem is Flip, Cleary are both UFA after this year and White only has 1 year left.

Only make sense if Rangers want players for this year's playoff run.
Or they could have Franzen for the next 30 years at $4m...

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Value wise, I think proposals from the Sens fan-base are the most enticing. I'd hate to move Gaborik anywhere in the east though.

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Little is worth more than Gaborik

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03-05-2013, 10:35 PM
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Scoring LW, top six center or a top 4 pmd who can pay the right side. One of those has to be in the deal.

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PMB(Salary)
Brodziak
Zack Phillips
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for Gaborik

Kind of lowballing New York here, and I apologize. Wild just can't do much right now. Thought I'd throw in an offer anyway.

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There's so much wrong in this awful post I don't even know where to begin. It's that bad.

I don't move Gaborik straight up for Little. Neither does any Rangers fan. Neither does anyone who actually watches hockey. Neither does anyone who doesn't watch hockey. I think you're the only one on this planet that believes that Bryan ****ing Little is more valuable than Gaborik.
What teams have the cap space to take on Gaborik's contract, plus give up some valuable assets, plus buy him out during the summer because they can't afford him next season.

Little has value because he's a cheap RFA who can get 50 points a year which has value to plenty of teams. Gaborik is expensive and the cap is shrinking next year.

It's a lousy market to be selling or trading over-priced premium hockey players for the next 24 months. Grasp the concept - it's the new reality.

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03-05-2013, 10:59 PM
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i could see a deal with SJ appealing to both teams...

To NYR
Boyle
Pavelski

To SJ
Gaborik
Boyle

Tortorella gets reunited with Boyle, and Pavelski is the kind of player he'd approve of imo. SanJose goes for broke in the "we will outscore you" mode... Could see Gaborik lighting it up on a line with Couture/Havlat, espeically with Thornton-Marleau forcing opposition shut-down units to "pick their poison". Boyle gives them a bit more size/grit in bottom-6.

Does open a hole on SJ's back end, but perhaps forcing the issue with Demers gets him back in gear.

salary-wise, pretty close, if NYR need it to match up evenly, teams could swap back-up goalies as well

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03-05-2013, 11:01 PM
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What teams have the cap space to take on Gaborik's contract, plus give up some valuable assets, plus buy him out during the summer because they can't afford him next season.

Little has value because he's a cheap RFA who can get 50 points a year which has value to plenty of teams. Gaborik is expensive and the cap is shrinking next year.

It's a lousy market to be selling or trading over-priced premium hockey players for the next 24 months. Grasp the concept - it's the new reality.
1. That's just dumb

2. That's funny, because Little has had exactly 1 50 point season, and that was 4 years ago.

But please, continue being delusional.


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Man I really really wish Kenny Holland would be in on this if it's true but I know that's not going to happen. But Datsyuk and Gaborik would be epic.
So for ***** and giggles, How bout:
-Valtteri Filppula (Signed to an extension)
-Jakub Kindl
- Tomas Jurco
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03-05-2013, 11:25 PM
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Why even bother. You should already know the answer to this.

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PMB(Salary)
Brodziak
Zack Phillips
3rd

for Gaborik

Kind of lowballing New York here, and I apologize. Wild just can't do much right now. Thought I'd throw in an offer anyway.
Why bother lowballing when you know it's not enough... ?

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What teams have the cap space to take on Gaborik's contract, plus give up some valuable assets, plus buy him out during the summer because they can't afford him next season.
Trades usually involve players. Players have salaries. Gaborik @7.5M. Player B @3.8M? lol...

There's also a new rule in the CBA which allows teams to essentially trade cap-space.

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Little has value because he's a cheap RFA who can get 50 points a year which has value to plenty of teams. Gaborik is expensive and the cap is shrinking next year.
Little's hit the 50P mark once in his career. He's not a 50 point player. But even if he was, comparing him to Gaborik, a 7 time 40G scorer, is completely asinine.

Little's cheaper for a reason. There's less of a demand for him. There are a lot more little's in this league, than Gaboriks.

Stepan is more valuable than Crosby, because Stepan is a cheaper RFA and with a shrinking cap Crosby will have to get bought out because he makes too much money.

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It's a lousy market to be selling or trading over-priced premium hockey players for the next 24 months. Grasp the concept - it's the new reality.
Reality? Oh, I've grasped plenty from this short and sweet discussion with you. It's been enlightening. I've learned Stepan is more valuable in the NHL than Crosby. Thanks for the lesson.


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03-05-2013, 11:35 PM
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Value wise, I think proposals from the Sens fan-base are the most enticing. I'd hate to move Gaborik anywhere in the east though.
I wouldn't be worried about it.... We know he's not very reliable in the post-season... Do you think any of our defensemen would have a hard time matching up against him if we met in the playoffs?

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03-05-2013, 11:38 PM
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Anyone from Dallas not named Benn/Eriksson/Oleksiak/Dillon that NYR fans would be interested in?

Say? Phillip Larsen ( NHL Roster player, PMD) + Brenden Morrow + upper level prospect + mid round pick?

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03-05-2013, 11:41 PM
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Little having the same value as Gaborik is ridiculous and I'm the Jets fan/one who proposed a Little + for Gaborik trade. However, that plus would never be Bogosian. In Winnipeg it's looking more and more like we may have to have a huge blowup and start over sometime soon in order for TNSE and Cheveldayoff to truly put their stamp on the team, but Bogosian and Kane are the two completely locked into WPG for years to come.

Little is very available, and as an aside I believe so is Blake Wheeler to an extent. It doesn't seem plausible to the Jets though to trade for Gaborik unless we were giving up a bunch of our depth players + a top liner (Little) in order to boost our goal scoring with Gaborik.

If depth forwards (Antropov, Miettinen, Jokinen, Tangradi, Thorburn, Slater) are what the Rangers need, then the Jets have plenty to package up with a Little or Wheeler, but otherwise the key young guns, Kane and Bogosian, wouldn't really be a part of a deal for a 30 year old goalscorer who I like as a player, but honestly appears to have begun his decline.

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Little having the same value as Gaborik is ridiculous and I'm the Jets fan/one who proposed a Little + for Gaborik trade. However, that plus would never be Bogosian. In Winnipeg it's looking more and more like we may have to have a huge blowup and start over sometime soon in order for TNSE and Cheveldayoff to truly put their stamp on the team, but Bogosian and Kane are the two completely locked into WPG for years to come.

Little is very available, and as an aside I believe so is Blake Wheeler to an extent. It doesn't seem plausible to the Jets though to trade for Gaborik unless we were giving up a bunch of our depth players + a top liner (Little) in order to boost our goal scoring with Gaborik.

If depth forwards (Antropov, Miettinen, Jokinen, Tangradi, Thorburn, Slater) are what the Rangers need, then the Jets have plenty to package up with a Little or Wheeler, but otherwise the key young guns, Kane and Bogosian, wouldn't really be a part of a deal for a 30 year old goalscorer who I like as a player, but honestly appears to have begun his decline.
Completely OT, but what would the price for Byfuglien?

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I wouldn't be worried about it.... We know he's not very reliable in the post-season... Do you think any of our defensemen would have a hard time matching up against him if we met in the playoffs?
Pickles, Gilroy, Eminger. MDZ too, if he was having late-night fun with his Roor.

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Completely OT, but what would the price for Byfuglien?
He's truly a unique player and his value as such is nearly impossible to pinpoint now. While his defensive abilities in the past have been questioned, this season (and somewhat last) he has made significant strides in that regard to be equivalent defensively with a solid 3-4 dman. However, his pairing with Enstrom has lead to both of them feeding off one another and their combined skillsets easily allows each to compensate for the other and their defensive efforts are adequate to match that of any other top pairing. Byfuglien's true value to any team though is obviously his offensive output. But even that is difficult to put a value on because he utilizes his offense to minimize his time in the defensive zone, boosting his overall game. His scoring ability is top notch for any dman in the league and his Offensive defense capabilities are 2nd only to Karlsson.

As an all around player, value wise he would have to rank somewhere similar to a Chara on the high end, and a Yandle on the low end of the scale. High end (Chara) being roughly a 1st + Top prospect + roster player, low end being roster player + prospect(s) + picks.

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The kind of deal I'd settle on

NSH
Fisher+Ellis+1st
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Gaborik+2nd/3rd

OTT
Greening+Zib+1st
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Gaborik+2nd/3rd

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Really ? Perry is on the record for not wanting to play in a big market. He's gone on July 1st...well 5th this yr.
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He's truly a unique player and his value as such is nearly impossible to pinpoint now. While his defensive abilities in the past have been questioned, this season (and somewhat last) he has made significant strides in that regard to be equivalent defensively with a solid 3-4 dman. However, his pairing with Enstrom has lead to both of them feeding off one another and their combined skillsets easily allows each to compensate for the other and their defensive efforts are adequate to match that of any other top pairing. Byfuglien's true value to any team though is obviously his offensive output. But even that is difficult to put a value on because he utilizes his offense to minimize his time in the defensive zone, boosting his overall game. His scoring ability is top notch for any dman in the league and his Offensive defense capabilities are 2nd only to Karlsson.

As an all around player, value wise he would have to rank somewhere similar to a Chara on the high end, and a Yandle on the low end of the scale. High end (Chara) being roughly a 1st + Top prospect + roster player, low end being roster player + prospect(s) + picks.
Ok, I would do a 1st (2014 preferably, could live with 2013), Phillip Larsen( young PMD, 1 NHL season in the books), and a mid to high quality prospect for Byfuglien.

The prospect would need to be a forward because after moving Larsen we'd be kinda thin on D prospects, but there would probably be interest in a guy like Tomas Vincour, Alex Chiasson or Matej Stranksy.

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03-06-2013, 02:01 AM
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i could see a deal with SJ appealing to both teams...

To NYR
Boyle
Pavelski

To SJ
Gaborik
Boyle

Tortorella gets reunited with Boyle, and Pavelski is the kind of player he'd approve of imo. SanJose goes for broke in the "we will outscore you" mode... Could see Gaborik lighting it up on a line with Couture/Havlat, espeically with Thornton-Marleau forcing opposition shut-down units to "pick their poison". Boyle gives them a bit more size/grit in bottom-6.

Does open a hole on SJ's back end, but perhaps forcing the issue with Demers gets him back in gear.

salary-wise, pretty close, if NYR need it to match up evenly, teams could swap back-up goalies as well
I think this is the only type of deal Sather would be interested in if he actually moved Gabby during the season. Something that in theory improves NYR chances of winning this year and next. Boyle might actually help the Rangers' perpetually ailing PP. I think a right-handed offensive D who can log major minutes in the top 4 and has a great shot from the point would be a prime target. Pavelski would address the issue of top 6 depth since he can play both Center and Wing. I think NYR would be looking for a multidimensional forward like him who can easily fill in as a top 6 Center in the play-offs given Richards' struggles this year and Stepan's inexperience as part of any deal for Gaborik.

I'm not sure a deal like that is out there to be made though. I don't follow the Sharks much, but I thought they were pretty attached to Pavelski. I just don't expect Sather to make a move for anything less given the expectations for the Rangers.

It has to be something that seriously improves them this year. Not a 3rd line C who's an improvement on Brian Boyle at the expense of your top scorer or a prospect like Zibby who can't be relied upon in the play-offs over these couple of seasons. Sather might move Gabby during the summer for high end youth if he thinks he's landing a big UFA who would be more helpful to the team, but NYR can fit Gabby's contract under the cap next season if the offers don't make the current team much better.

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per Elliotte Friedman's 30 Thoughts Column



http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...hot-topic.html

I know this has been speculated on by some Rangers fans on their board, but this is the first time a reliable hockey media guy has speculated on it.
Lol... right... the Rangers are gonna move their 40 goal scorer just last year for some "depth".. because other pieces can't be moved to acquire a 3c (which actually seems like Miller would do just fine there) and a RHD?

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Gaborik is exactly the type of player the canucks need. Too bad he will never come here.

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Hasn't he been dropped to the 3rd line? Between his injury history and his contract, I can't imagine getting too big a return for him.

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