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03-05-2013, 08:46 PM
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He'll probably be back. Would've rather had Etem sent down, but seems like they are revamping the forward lines.

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Maroon was sent down because the 2nd line is broken, the Ducks are carrying 7D who can't go through waivers, and carrying Staubitz who can't go through waivers. They have one roster spot to play with, and probably want to see if Holland has it figured out yet for the 2C. Unless they put Palmieri on IR this is the only way to do it - they probably want to give McMillan a chance to have at least a practice with the team before sending him back.

I agree that Maroon was playing like an ideal 4th liner though.
Maroon-Bonino-Etem was absolutely great when together. Thats what Id like to see down the stretch on the 4th unit, they brought a lot of energy to the team.

The part I bolded is key though, and I dont really know what to do with that line. We've tried just about every combination of Ryan-Selanne-XXXXXX and no one has worked, other than Koivu and Palmieri in one game, and both play their best on other lines. 2nd unit has been a mess all season, barring like 3-4 games where they loaded up on points.

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03-05-2013, 11:04 PM
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Maroon-Bonino-Etem was absolutely great when together. Thats what Id like to see down the stretch on the 4th unit, they brought a lot of energy to the team.

The part I bolded is key though, and I dont really know what to do with that line. We've tried just about every combination of Ryan-Selanne-XXXXXX and no one has worked, other than Koivu and Palmieri in one game, and both play their best on other lines. 2nd unit has been a mess all season, barring like 3-4 games where they loaded up on points.
Contrary to popular opinion, I'd love to put forth my idea.

Ryan-Getzlaf-Perry
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I think that second line would struggle. Teemu just has weird chemistry issues.

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03-05-2013, 11:22 PM
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I dont see Bonino-Selanne as a pair that would ever be successful.

Teemu needs speed and a forechecker , which is why he suceeded with McD/Kunitz and Koivu/Blake.

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03-05-2013, 11:28 PM
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I'm really curious to see what the lines are tomorrow. I guess McMillan will play the wing with Holland coming up.

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Contrary to popular opinion, I'd love to put forth my idea.

Ryan-Getzlaf-Perry
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don't like RPG together. belesky is perfectly fine there. Ryan can carry a line if he can play C

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03-06-2013, 12:26 AM
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I'm ready to see the RPG line back together. Selanne and Ryan just doesn't work. Keep the 3rd line intact, I feel like Selanne is best used as a PP specialist and against matchups he can exploit. I really wish we never traded Andy McDonald he was the perfect linemate for him, with the way Getzlaf and Perry are now playing they could really get Bobby going, and that line could simply overpower teams.

Bruce ****s with the lines to much. pick a Center for the 2nd line and stick to it, pick a position for Bobby Ryan and stick to it. it's also pretty insane that Maroon got sent down. we need more toughness and size if anything, not less

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don't like RPG together. belesky is perfectly fine there. Ryan can carry a line if he can play C
RPG dominated the league for 2 years, last year was an off season. they could easily return to form

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I don't like Maroon getting sent down for a few reasons. One he hasn't looked about of place and has used his body well. He hasn't sniffed at a scoring chance in a few games though but he makes an effective fourth liner in my opinion. Two there's nothing left for him to prove in the A and Norfolk isn't going to make the playoffs. Three, he makes peanuts so why not just let him stick around even if he's scratched? I'm fine if he's a spare part.

This is Hollands chance to prove he belongs on this team. Boudreau is getting offense out of everybody and someone as talented as Holland needs to be able to chip in. If not I'm looking at him as a bargaining chip with Rakell waiting in the wings. It's put up or shut up time for Pete.

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03-06-2013, 12:38 AM
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As much as I don't want to break up the 3rd, Koivu really seems like the only C who can centre Selanne, and even they don't have great chemistry. Bobby and Teemu have their moments but it just doesn't last. Holland coming up means Bobby is done at centre for now IMO. I wonder how something like Cogs-Holland-Ryan would work.

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I may be in the minority but I'm hoping the Ryan at centre experiment ends for good. He may have flashes where he looks good there but I think he's far more effective on the wing - he's also less of a liability when he decides to float around for nights on end if he's on the wing. Not to mention he's terrible in the faceoff circle.

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I don't like Maroon getting sent down for a few reasons. One he hasn't looked about of place and has used his body well. He hasn't sniffed at a scoring chance in a few games though but he makes an effective fourth liner in my opinion. Two there's nothing left for him to prove in the A and Norfolk isn't going to make the playoffs. Three, he makes peanuts so why not just let him stick around even if he's scratched? I'm fine if he's a spare part.

This is Hollands chance to prove he belongs on this team. Boudreau is getting offense out of everybody and someone as talented as Holland needs to be able to chip in. If not I'm looking at him as a bargaining chip with Rakell waiting in the wings. It's put up or shut up time for Pete.
They have no roster space. 3 spots on the bench - the 7th D, Palmieri (unless/until he goes on IR), and Staubitz. Everyone else has to play. There's very few games I'd want to scratch maroon for Staubitz. Maroon or McMillan had to go down to allow for Holland to come up.

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03-06-2013, 01:02 AM
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I don't like Maroon getting sent down for a few reasons. One he hasn't looked about of place and has used his body well. He hasn't sniffed at a scoring chance in a few games though but he makes an effective fourth liner in my opinion. Two there's nothing left for him to prove in the A and Norfolk isn't going to make the playoffs. Three, he makes peanuts so why not just let him stick around even if he's scratched? I'm fine if he's a spare part.

This is Hollands chance to prove he belongs on this team. Boudreau is getting offense out of everybody and someone as talented as Holland needs to be able to chip in. If not I'm looking at him as a bargaining chip with Rakell waiting in the wings. It's put up or shut up time for Pete.
You can't dictate when a prospect will deliver. That is absurd.

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I'm fine with Maroon being sent down. Sorry to disagree with everyone. I felt he was a step behind as far as how he thought the game. He seemed to always be behind the play, mentally and physically.

He also didn't do much good nor bad, he was just there.

Etem deserves to stay for an extended look, the kid has talent, amazing hustle and seems to make something happen almost every shift.

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I'm fine with Maroon being sent down. Sorry to disagree with everyone. I felt he was a step behind as far as how he thought the game. He seemed to always be behind the play, mentally and physically.

He also didn't do much good nor bad, he was just there.

Etem deserves to stay for an extended look, the kid has talent, amazing hustle and seems to make something happen almost every shift.
I honestly feel that you've put the wrong names with your analysis. Etem is still flailing around out there. In 3 fewer games Maroon has twice as many hits, twice the takeaways with zero giveaways, and only 1 fewer shots. The only different thing Etem has brought at this point is enough speed to play on the PK.

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RPG dominated the league for 2 years, last year was an off season. they could easily return to form
they were. but i just feel like perry and getzlaf dont need Ryan. belesky has been doing absolutely fine when he's there along with palmieri. let ryan have his own line and elevate someone elses games. the reason we've been so good this year is depth. putting RPG together kills our depth

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I honestly feel that you've put the wrong names with your analysis. Etem is still flailing around out there. In 3 fewer games Maroon has twice as many hits, twice the takeaways with zero giveaways, and only 1 fewer shots. The only different thing Etem has brought at this point is enough speed to play on the PK.
Agreed.

I understand the hype from a view of he can become a good player, but I think a lot of hype on his NHL stay so far is unwarranted, he's not been really noticeable in his last few games, including before being sent down imo

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I would definitely like to see RPG together again. Getzlaf has been great this season and Perry has found his scoring touch again. Palmieri and Beleskey have been solid on the top line but sometimes I feel like both of them shoot too much in wrong places and the situation is lost because the puck ends up with the opposing team. Ryan is smarter and better than both probably in every way.

I really don't know how to make the other lines effective if RPG is back, Palmieri and Selänne are top 6 players but they don't fit together IMO. Bonino isn't good enough for top 6, Holland isn't ready. Koivu seems like the only one who could play as 2nd line center.

Ryan-Getzlaf-Perry
Cogliano-Koivu-Selänne
Winnik-Bonino-Palmieri
Beleskey-Holland/McMillan-McMillan/Etem

Getzlaf, Koivu, Perry, Ryan, Selänne and Cogliano have been the most productive scorers this season, that's why they are in the top 6. Bonino can take the 3rd line center job and I think he has some chemistry with Palmieri. Winnik provides the muscle. 4th line is the energy line again, moving Ryan away from center would require Holland or McMillan in the lineup as a center.

Still, this team could really use another top 6 center. Can't go to the playoffs with that lineup and expect to go far.

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they were. but i just feel like perry and getzlaf dont need Ryan. belesky has been doing absolutely fine when he's there along with palmieri. let ryan have his own line and elevate someone elses games. the reason we've been so good this year is depth. putting RPG together kills our depth
They may not, but Ryan could benefit playing with two guys who are on fire right now, atleast until Palmieri returns. Palms is a great fit on that line

Ultimately, i feel Murray has to acquire either a legit top 2 center, or a legit top 4 D, for us to have a deep playoff run

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Maroon had played 9 games. 1 more and he would have to go through waivers again to be sent down. I'm sure Murray was aware of that and felt Maroon would get claimed. This way he stays in the organization for now.

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Maroon was sent down because the 2nd line is broken, the Ducks are carrying 7D who can't go through waivers, and carrying Staubitz who can't go through waivers. They have one roster spot to play with, and probably want to see if Holland has it figured out yet for the 2C. Unless they put Palmieri on IR this is the only way to do it - they probably want to give McMillan a chance to have at least a practice with the team before sending him back.

I agree that Maroon was playing like an ideal 4th liner though.
Maroon will be back. Holland needs to step up and play like we know he can. We could be showcasing him for a trade, but I wouldn't get too into that yet.

Staubitz could go through waivers. He'd pass easily. Not many teams would want him when he's signed for next year too. I just don't see us sending him down unless he goes 10+ games without playing

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I'd love Bonino and Teemu paired up. In the 4th line.

Palms-Holland-Ryan (Etem if Palms is not ready)
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You can't dictate when a prospect will deliver. That is absurd.
You can have expectations on a prospect. He's starting to have a decent sample size of games here and he hasn't made a strong argument that he deserves to stick around. He needs a breakthrough so he gets hopped on the depth chart.

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I dont see Bonino-Selanne as a pair that would ever be successful.

Teemu needs speed and a forechecker , which is why he suceeded with McD/Kunitz and Koivu/Blake.
I'd argue that Blake/Koivu/Selanne wasn't very effective. I think the whole Finnish connection was too forced. Now look at Koivu. He's money on the third line. Teemu needs a better center not named Holland or Bonino, or Bobby. Too bad Weise is done for the year. He would have been a good center for Teemu

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