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03-06-2013, 03:41 AM
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great, we're look for a winger next.
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I have always been a fan of Statsny and I think his drop in production is ENTIRELY due to the fact the avs have given him no support opting to give the best wingers to ROR and Duschene Leaving Statsny with scraps.

Put Statsny with Kessel and JVR or Kessel and Lupul and watch what he does.

JVR Statsny Kessel

Lupul Kadri Clarkson/Horton looks like a solid top 6 to me
I agree I would make a move for Stastny. He is the only player even potentially available. I would say there is a 99% chance Getzlaf stays put. Stastny isn't a legit front line guy right now, but he could be a 70 point guy again playing with Kessel and JVR or Lupul. Then with the emergence of Nazem Kadri that is 2 potent guys down the middle... Then centre starts to look like a strength... Kadri and Stastny could both put 70 points.

I like your lines, but I think Kulemin could be that Clarkson/Horton type of player on the second line. He's struggled at times but its only because our coaches have an obsession with playing Kulemin with Grabovski... It's like because Grabo speaks russian they HAVE to play together. They haven't had that insane chemistry in over a year now but yet they are STILL playing together... Kulemin always plays good with elite players. This is a guy who did a pretty good job of riding shot gun with Malkin in the KHL, and a player who did very well with Kessel a couple of years ago (remember the Kulemin-Bozak-Kessel line?) Kulemin does an amazing job of creating space for top line players, and he's being seriously misused right now IMO. Kulemin would rack up some big points playing with Kessel or Kadri IMO.




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great, we're look for a winger next.


Backstrom >>>>>> Kessel

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I would look to get Ovechkin out of Washington. Instead of paying a premium for a rental at trade deadline I would look to add this guy. If he doesn't work out, I'm sure Toronto can used one of the amnesty buyouts for him. I believe a move like this would be safe with the financial muscle MLSE has, but Ovechkin Leaf jersey sales and hype would be through the roof anyways so no real loss there.

Ovechkin a Leaf, Toronto would explode and this is a guy that loves being under the spotlight and thrives. Just like he does well under the microscope with Team Russia in international play.. id give him a shot.

An Ovechkin - Grabovski - Kulemin line would be interesting to watch. Or even seeing Kessels underrated play making abilities setting up Ovechkin with one-timers *drools* If Ovechkin did well with Semin, no doubt Kessel and Ovechkin could possibly work.

All that aside, I wonder if Ovechkin will ever ask a trade out of Washington. Anything is possible... heck Gretzky was traded. If the Leafs traded for Ovechkin, it'd go down in history... but Im also aware of the risks taken here at that contract but for me he is still only 27 years old.

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I wouldn't touch Backstrom with a 10' pole. Bad apple.

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Nazem Kadri?

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Stephen Weiss is a glorified Tyler Bozak. I'll pass.
Greg Brady just said he was Phil Kessel's best\last chance to be a 40 goal scorer. Lmao. What an idiot. Stephen Weiss is Matt Stajan 2.0.

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Greg Brady just said he was Phil Kessel's best\last chance to be a 40 goal scorer. Lmao. What an idiot. Stephen Weiss is Matt Stajan 2.0.
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Getz is the only center "available" worth overpaying for. Probably re-signing in Anaheim.

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I wasn't making the Riberio comment as a negative. There aren't to many C let a lone players that can put up 70+ a season

just not sure thats the guy you'd want as your #1 C. you want them to be able to be creative and take chance and I'd rather that as my #2

either way its good to seem him producing

....we really need a trade or a rumour

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I suggested Backstrom a couple of weeks ago . . . and I honestly don't think it's as long a longshot as some may think.

IF the Caps continue to look like they miss the playoffs . . . there will absolutely have to be a shake-up. And we know it won't be Ovechkin (unmoveable, essentially, because of his monster contract and now underachieving ways) and it won't be the coach (he's too new). The next biggest name that they could get great return for is Backstrom, who has also dipped severely in production from those heady days of two years ago.

I think Stastny is perhaps a bit overrated, but I think he's a good option as well. Definitely a distant second to Backstrom, IMHO.

I don't think Getzlaf is going anywhere - I think he's the one to stay in Anaheim IF - and it's a big if - they break up the Big Three this summer / deal one of them this year.

I think Pavelski is gettable, but San Jose won't get rid of Couture, he is their keeper I think.

The rest I don't think I, nor Leafs management, are interested in.

The Deal To Be Made:
To Washington - Tyler Bozak, Joe Colborne, 2nd rounder.
To Toronto - Nicklas Backstrom

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I would do it. Similar offensive output but Backstrom plays the more important position. Don't know if Washington would be interested but that is the type of trade I would include Kessel in.
That right there is why Washington wouldnt do it. Backstrom plays the more important position. Not to mention with Kuznetsov coming up in the near future, they shouldnt be too concerned with scoring goals or adding wingers.

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To Pittsburgh: Kessel, Benn

To Toronto: Eriksson

To Dallas: Malkin, Kulemin



Eriksson - Kadri - JVR
Mac - Grabovski - Lupul
HAHAHHAHAHA. Malkin. AHAHAHAhAH

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Can we get back to talking trades?

If Nonis is seriously considering a top centre, and dangling Kessel .. What are realistic targets?

Giving the depth of wingers the Leafs have, it's not a completely outrageous idea
To be honest... Realistically, Kessel cannot get us a 1st line C, and he cant get us a top top C prospect.

Wat he CAN get (IMO) would be a 1B type of centre (think M. Richards, though LA would not do that trade so im just saying value wise) or a really good C prospect + other pieces, but not a Huberdeau/Galchenyuk calibre centre prospect.

Something like ~Coyle+ from Minnesota, where that + was a solid piece like Brodin. The type of centre prospects i think Kessel can get in a package? Coyle, Z-bad, Bjugstad, maybe a guy like Strome, etc. (again, only talking value, not team needs)

In terms of NHLers? Talking about value only and not team needs, M. Richards, Pavelski, J. Staal, Krejci, etc.

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To be honest... Realistically, Kessel cannot get us a 1st line C, and he cant get us a top top C prospect.

Wat he CAN get (IMO) would be a 1B type of centre (think M. Richards, though LA would not do that trade so im just saying value wise) or a really good C prospect + other pieces, but not a Huberdeau/Galchenyuk calibre centre prospect.

Something like ~Coyle+ from Minnesota, where that + was a solid piece like Brodin. The type of centre prospects i think Kessel can get in a package? Coyle, Z-bad, Bjugstad, maybe a guy like Strome, etc. (again, only talking value, not team needs)

In terms of NHLers? Talking about value only and not team needs, M. Richards, Pavelski, J. Staal, Krejci, etc.
thats been my thought as well.

Coyle is an interesting option, could he be a #1?
Johansen in Cls might be another one

or try and get a top pick for Mackinnon or Barkov
Buffalo definitely doesn't want to rebuild and they could have a really high pick.....imagine Kessel traded twice within the same division for a top pick lol

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Get true #3 centerman, move Kadri to the first line, Grabovski to an offensive role.

Using an small, offensive centerman as your shutdown centerman isn't the best use of a 5.5 million cap hit.

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I would look to get Ovechkin out of Washington. Instead of paying a premium for a rental at trade deadline I would look to add this guy. If he doesn't work out, I'm sure Toronto can used one of the amnesty buyouts for him. I believe a move like this would be safe with the financial muscle MLSE has, but Ovechkin Leaf jersey sales and hype would be through the roof anyways so no real loss there.

Ovechkin a Leaf, Toronto would explode and this is a guy that loves being under the spotlight and thrives. Just like he does well under the microscope with Team Russia in international play.. id give him a shot.

An Ovechkin - Grabovski - Kulemin line would be interesting to watch. Or even seeing Kessels underrated play making abilities setting up Ovechkin with one-timers *drools* If Ovechkin did well with Semin, no doubt Kessel and Ovechkin could possibly work.

All that aside, I wonder if Ovechkin will ever ask a trade out of Washington. Anything is possible... heck Gretzky was traded. If the Leafs traded for Ovechkin, it'd go down in history... but Im also aware of the risks taken here at that contract but for me he is still only 27 years old.
I agree that that cesspool in Washington needs to be broken apart, but I don't think that they will trade Ovy, unless he expressly asks for it. They have invested too much into building up his brand.

I really have a problem with the way the NHL set itself up - there are franchises out there that should be dumping players left and right, and rebuild, they are holding on to them. Calgary, Detroit, Florida, Washington and a bit in Colorado are the 1st ones that should be in an aggressive rebuild. They lose the value of their tradeable assets too fast.

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thats been my thought as well.

Coyle is an interesting option, could he be a #1?
Johansen in Cls might be another one

or try and get a top pick for Mackinnon or Barkov
Buffalo definitely doesn't want to rebuild and they could have a really high pick.....imagine Kessel traded twice within the same division for a top pick lol
I would say a top pick for Kessel is very unlikely...

BUT, Buffalo might be an exception. They already have some really good pieces to build around, they have the goaltending, and they have the longterm centre depth. Myers is the question mark though, id guess theyd move a top pick for a D before trading it for a forward.

Not to mention if its a top 3 pick, it definitely wouldnt be traded for Kessel. Those guys could potentially step into the NHL next year and already perform at a relatively high level. My guess is it would be pretty unlikely to get a top 10 pick in this draft for him.

But if we could get say Coyle and Brodin for him? Id do it. But then again i value centres/D much more than wingers, especially wingers thay play Kessels type of game.

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Get true #3 centerman, move Kadri to the first line, Grabovski to an offensive role.

Using an small, offensive centerman as your shutdown centerman isn't the best use of a 5.5 million cap hit.

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Kulemin to Pittsburgh for a pick.
I think Kadri would work better with JvR and Frattin and I don't really think there's much chance MacArthur stays on this team. They were grinding their teeth when they gave him his last contract, I don't think they will re-sign him for that or more. I wouldn't trade Kulemin- he is 2nd best PKer on the team.

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I would say a top pick for Kessel is very unlikely...

BUT, Buffalo might be an exception. They already have some really good pieces to build around, they have the goaltending, and they have the longterm centre depth. Myers is the question mark though, id guess theyd move a top pick for a D before trading it for a forward.

Not to mention if its a top 3 pick, it definitely wouldnt be traded for Kessel. Those guys could potentially step into the NHL next year and already perform at a relatively high level. My guess is it would be pretty unlikely to get a top 10 pick in this draft for him.

But if we could get say Coyle and Brodin for him? Id do it. But then again i value centres/D much more than wingers, especially wingers thay play Kessels type of game.
I could see Buff, NYI and maybe even FLA rather an NHL ready star type player instead of another pick.

I think you'll see the teams hold on to their picks for the chance at Jones and then if they don't get him will see some movement at the top of the draft.

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I think Kadri would work better with JvR and Frattin and I don't really think there's much chance MacArthur stays on this team. They were grinding their teeth when they gave him his last contract, I don't think they will re-sign him for that or more. I wouldn't trade Kulemin- he is 2nd best PKer on the team.
I think Carlyle likes MacArthur with Kadri, so they might be keeping him for the time being and I wouldn't be surprised to see him extended and kept as a fallback for Kadri if he doesn't mesh with Lupul and Kessel.

Might be better to move Kulemin for team and player.

Someone else will have to perform PK duties.

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This probably wont get accepted very well.

Marcel Goc always manages to impress me when we play Florida. Is good in mostly every situation (not great). For some reason i feel like giving him a try on the top line with Kessel.

Cheap way of attempting to see if there is something there. I only mention this because the leafs may need to dish Bozak due to his salary demands. We will need a stop gap. Hes got an extra year on his contract and is basically the same price as Bozak. Allows us to develop and attempt to sign someone in UFA. Basically a shot in the dark, that saves us from spending to much money at the deadline.


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This will probably wont get accepted very well.

Marcel Gotch always manages to impress me when we play Florida. Is good in mostly every situation (not great). For some reason i feel like giving him a try on the top line with Kessel.

Cheap way of attempting to see if there is something there. I only mention this because the leafs may need to dish Bozak due to his salary demands. We will need a stop gap. Hes got an extra year on his contract and is basically the same price as Bozak. Allows us to develop and attempt to sign someone in UFA. Basically a shot in the dark, that saves us from spending to much money at the deadline.
What are Bozak's salary demands?

Don't believe what you hear on the sports shows, they're just throwing out numbers.

I was wondering about Legwand? Maybe it is time for Nashville to change this up?

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